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Rogue One Rank Rogue One among Star Wars films

Discussion in 'Anthology' started by dolphin, Dec 15, 2016.

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Where does Rogue One rank?

  1. Best

    36 vote(s)
    7.4%
  2. 2nd best

    58 vote(s)
    11.9%
  3. 3rd

    112 vote(s)
    22.9%
  4. 4th

    131 vote(s)
    26.8%
  5. 5th

    87 vote(s)
    17.8%
  6. 6th

    23 vote(s)
    4.7%
  7. 7th

    15 vote(s)
    3.1%
  8. Worst

    27 vote(s)
    5.5%
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  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    1st, but what excites me so much about Star Wars these days is that Rogue One has shown me that my favorite Star Wars film could still be in the future. It could be Solo. It could be one of David and Dan’s films, one of RJ’s trilogy, the Kenobi film, something else. There are so many talented directors and writers out there, and the art teams and ILM are as great as ever.
     
  2. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    You know, I've already voted in this poll (ranked 4th), but after re-watching the movie on the completion of the Rebel Rising novel; I think I might even bump it up a notch. IMO it's on the border of ROTJ for third best; maybe even tied. I must've seen the movie dozens of times already since the first time I saw it in theaters and then when the Blu-ray was released; and the end scene on Scariff "Rogue One, may the Force be with you" still gets me right in the heartstrings. Such a great scene.
     
  3. Blobofat

    Blobofat Chosen One star 8

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    Yeah, that's a great moment.

    I watched it earlier in the week and every time it gets better. And it was pretty freakin awesome to begin with! It also feels less like an anthology film to me and more an integral part of the saga.
     
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  4. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    1. the 1977 Star Wars film
    2. Rogue One
    3. The Empire Strikes Back
    4. Return of the Jedi
    ...all the rest
     
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  5. Jcuk

    Jcuk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A joint second with ANH. Just behind Empire Strikes Back. Cannot lavish any more praise on it than that
     
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  6. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    For me, it’s now:

    1. RO
    2. ANH
    3. ESB
    4. Solo
    5. TLJ
    6. TFA
    7. ROTJ
    8. TPM
    9. AOTC
    10. ROTS
     
  7. oncafar

    oncafar Force Ghost star 6

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    Although I'm sure I've done my ranking in a previous post by how much I like certain movies, I've been reflecting over the Star Wars Disney films: RO, Solo, TFA and TLJ, and have come to the conclusion that RO is the best of all of these films in quality. I feel like it is the only one of the four that really tried to do something original and tell a story that isn't locked in a very narrow way of looking at the Star Wars universe. One of the things that RO did very well was create new characters who drove much of the story, even while including beloved cameos of old characters (which all served the story well, except for Mr. "I don't like you, he doesn't like you either" and 3PO/R2 "cameo"). This is in contrast to Solo which sidelines their new interesting characters more than I would like--Kyra and Enfys.

    Kyra vs. Maul could be an interesting film. But to make it they would have to let go of this need to tell every detail of Han doing the stuff we already knew he did anyway, and that was likely more legendary in our imaginations than the telling of the story delivered by Solo. What I really appreciate in Solo is the new stuff. And by all of this I don't mean to say that they can never tell a story about an old character, but there needs to be something cool about it. This is why I think a Lando movie would have been a better choice than a Han Solo movie. It could be Lando's life (his main POV), and Han could feature into it from Lando's vantage point, which would be a new take on Han while the story covers someone we know less about, Lando. But the way they treated Lando's character in Solo wasn't very interesting, so even if they made a Lando movie instead, they probably would have somehow messed it up.

    Then without even trying they create these side characters like Kyra and Enfys who are actually interesting and I'd be interested enough to watch an entire movie with those two, and Maul has grown on me as a villain for such a movie. So Solo could be the jumping off point for a sequel, just not a sequel about Han. But naturally I'm sure they have canned the entire sequel idea because Solo didn't do well, but of course the only sequel it seems they were considering was continuing Han's boring path in life where now he becomes Jabba's employee just like we knew he did (like I really have no curiosity about the details, like AT ALL). Han is a far more interesting and legendary character, when left to the imagination where he is larger than life, unless one can actually pull of a movie that does the legend justice, which I don't believe Solo did. It has a fairly unoriginal and dull characterization of both Han and Lando, from my POV.

    Another thing RO (and actually Solo as well) did quite well was make the villains people I at least can take seriously. In RO the threat of the Empire, of the Death Star, of Vader, of Tarkin, and even of Krennic and the overall feeling of doom is a very real and very scary thing. This gives a really strong feeling about what the heroes are up against, and that it's not a piece of cake. It's a nightmare. Strong villains help make the story better. Solo I think also did well with it's villains. What's-His-Name (Kyra's boss) isn't as evil as a lot of villians, but that's okay. I can take him seriously as a crime boss. Maul when he shows up, though a little overdone, was indeed scary--this is someone Kyra may not get the upper hand against, and I'm curious how that will play out. Because I suspect she will get the upper hand despite being at a serious disadvantage, and that's interesting to me. Also a more serious portrayal of Maul than his more goofy cartoon character would be interesting.

    By contrast TFA and TLJ (most especially TLJ) make the villains comic reliefs. By the end of TLJ I can't take any of them seriously. They all suck. What they have on their side is a massive military force, though they are ruled by buffoons. Although it's true that some bad guys only have that going for them--a massive (though inefficient) military force. But I don't really find that kind of villain force interesting. Because their mighty military force will likely be defeated in one battle anyway in the movie, the focus will still be overcoming all these buffoons--what a challenge. The feats of the heroes will then also just be goofy and comical, and I think the whole story is verging on being silly.

    RO like the original trilogy got the right mix of the Imperials and how they can be morons and inefficient (Krennic embodied much of this), but still it doesn't render them useless villains. Krennic is scary to me despite being an idiot. Watching him declare the destruction of Jedha "beautiful" was definitely a moment of "horror." He is that morally insane. There is no reasoning with him. He is a loon of the worst kind. Krennic manages to both be comic relief in a way AND a villain I can take seriously. This is similar to the drama of the Imperial officers in the OT.

    TFA and TLJ are very claustrophobic films that don't seem to expand the Star Wars universe or complexify it. TLJ was supposed to be more complex but having reflected on it for months I don't think it really lives up to that hype. Both films just make me feel locked in remixes of the OT, like people can't take any risks and celebrate things that shouldn't be huge risks anyway (like Luke dying in the movie--like whoa, how um, bold). I think that RO is the best quality film because it took the most risks, it invented more, it made the Star Wars universe feel a bit bigger and it utilized realism well. Although it's not the most original movie ever, it did at least try to be original and not be held back by a narrow scope of the Star Wars that came before. It matched Star Wars where it works (like how it got the Imperials right and the doom of the dark side), and expanded where it worked to expand (focusing heavily on new characters and their stories while knowing how to utilize older characters). The older characters were such that I felt I was watching and learning new things about them rather than them just repeating things they have already done in previous movies. (However I am also more curious about Tarkin and Vader than Han admittedly, and I think part of that is because Han has had a lot of screen time compared to villain characters.)

    So anyway, TFA and TLJ stick to narrowly to the rubric of the previous saga films, IMO, right down to Snoke even saying the same lines the Emperor did in ROTJ. And Solo just primarily covers a character doing all the things I already knew he did anyway. RO is the freshest of all four films.
     
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  8. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    1. TESB
    2. R1
    3. ROTJ
    4. TCW and Rebels
    5. TPM and TFA
    6. ROTS
    7. AOTC and Solo
    8. TLJ

    I watched Episodes I through V two days ago, and I just watched Rogue One. Love it! It's nice to watch one of the best SW films after the disaster that was TLJ.
     
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  9. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    I think you’re missing a film on your list. A pretty important one, I think. ;)
     
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  10. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    To Bor Mullet you will listen. Truth he knows.
     
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  11. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    A New Hope is stupid. Who needs it anyway? In fact Star Wars sucks, George Lucas is an imbecile and we've all wasted our lives.
     
  12. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    Oh, right. But I was referring to Caravan of Courage.
     
  13. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    That sucks too. Don't tell @TCF-1138 I said that. :p
     
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  14. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    [face_phbbbbt]
     
  15. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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  16. SithOverlord101

    SithOverlord101 Jedi Master star 4

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    probably 4th (between ROTS and ROTJ)
     
  17. BadAcrobat

    BadAcrobat Jedi Master star 4

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    When I last voted on this, It was ranked third (after TESB & ANH) Now its 2nd, I watched it last night after not seeing it for a couple of months, and to me, its still mind blowingly good. I had been watching Solo nearly every other night for a month or two, and that is spectacular too. I rank that 3rd now, ANH is now 4th.

    What I do with RO is watch it and then immediately put on ANH - 4+ hours of spectacular entertainment.

    I absolutely LOVE the standalone films!!!!
     
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  18. Yoda's_Roomate

    Yoda's_Roomate Chosen One star 5

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    Even though the wonder of watching the original trilogy can never be duplicated, Rogue One is proof that a Star Wars movie with the feel of the OT can be created.
     
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  19. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    The only negative thing about RO is that it has spoiled me immensely. I feel like I now judge all Star Wars films against it, and it’s going to be difficult to top. Never did I imagine that ANH and ESB could be superseded, in my mind. But it happened. Now...it has to happen again for me to be fully satisfied. Damn you, Rogue One!
     
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  20. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Rogue One and the CT are the best Star Wars films.
     
  21. Avnar

    Avnar Force Ghost star 4

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    I constantly find myself wondering (with a few story tweaks obviously) how RO could have been the first film for the ST and how much more excited I would be for each new installment! Han and Leia get killed at the start ala Jyns mother, their children escape and find Luke (ala Chirrut) etc etc etc

    I also find that even though Chirrut is not a Jedi, he is more interesting than every single one put on film since the OT!
     
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  22. Mystery Roach

    Mystery Roach Chosen One star 4

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    Dead last. Sorry, but I honestly don’t get what so many people see in this one. I don’t hate it and it has a few nice moments, but overall it just doesn’t really work for me on any level.
     
  23. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    You’re wrong, but that’s OK. Nobody’s perfect. :)
     
  24. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Small, but Lethal star 6

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    e.g. the eyegasm of the last ~30 minutes which even includes an epic god-mode Vader scene.
    I could watch this as a 24/7 loop
     
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  25. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 4

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    Easily my favorite recent Star Wars movie (not that I didn´t enjoy the others), and the best for me since ROTJ. Actually on par with the original trilogy, that´s how much I like it...
     
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