ST Rank the Last Jedi among the SW films

Yeah - TLJ is my least favorite. TFA was a safe yet decent film overall. It was an "introductory" movie so to speak and had to do a lot of setup. Yes, the plot felt very much like A New Hope, hence it was very safe. Even though many people are NOT fans of the prequels, I still rate TFA below all of those. So, TFA is my 2nd least favorite Star Wars film although its much better than Last Jedi.

Its really too bad about TLJ - there was some good things about it and I didnt hate it. But damn, too much of it drove me nuts or just rubbed me the wrong way.

 

Here are my updated rankings.

1. RO
2. ANH/ ESB
3. Solo
4. TFA/TLJ
5. ROTJ
6. TPM
7. AOTC
8. ROTS (the only Star Wars movie I actively dislike)

 

1. STAR WARS - Best of the bunch. Only issue is that it was made as a standalone, but its success changed that.

2. The Empire Strikes Back - Because it’s a sequel, expectations low, but delivers and vies for #1.

3. SOLO - Of the new crop, this feels closest to the originals. Imagine if this were made during Ford’s tenure.

4. Return of the Jedi - Limited, but richly fulfills the OT arc and kudos for that space battle.

5. Revenge of the Sith - From the opera scene to Mustafar...I think Sidious finished Padme.

6. ROGUE ONE - Fulfilled the WARS in STAR WARS. Props for pushing the technology. I’m not a fan of single reactor firing.

7. The Force Awakens - Good internal/character driven aspects/too weak on the external and backdrop characteristics. Repeat the motif but not so blatantly.

8. The Last Jedi - A good film but a terrible episode. Ignored major/legacy character traits and plot points. Too independent from the existing narrative. Too antithetical and irreverent. Too meta.

9. The Phantom Menace - I love TPM. It introduced new and interesting concepts regarding the Force and the GFFA. Give me politics and trade disputes in the GFFA. What’s past is present. Truth stranger than fiction. Needed better acting/dialogue.

10. Attack of the Clones - The Obi-Wan as Phillip Marlowe is quite fun. Anakin and Padme’s love, not. Needs better acting/dialogue.


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1. ANH
2. TESB
3. TLJ
4. TFA
5. ROTJ
6. Solo
7. RO
8. TPM
9. AOTC
10. ROTS
11. TCW

 

Star Wars: The Last Jedi JCF User Poll Snapshot September 2, 2018 (575 votes) (June 15, 2018 snapshot) (March 29, 2018 snapshot)

position: percentage (change since March)

Top 3: 27.9% (-3.0)
Middle 3: 23.5% (-2.2)
Bottom 3: 48.5% (+5.2) (plurality)

Top 4: 35.5% (-3.4)
Middle 1: 7.4% (-0.6)
Bottom 4: 57.0% (+4.0) (majority)

Largest shares
9th place 33.1% (+4.6) (plurality)
3rd place 15.0% (-0.6)
6th place 8.5% (-1.2)

Global user ratings - August 29, 2018 snapshot for Solo: A Star Wars Story and Star Wars: The Last Jedi; April 28, 2018 snapshot for other Star Wars movies.

 

Wasn't sure where this would be best to post for anyone interested. I always found @MagnarTheGreat's tables very interesting. I know that they used to post some of those updates in threads like this one among others. The last update I had seen was from June 30th. Out of curiosity I decided to have a look if there were any notable changes in audience criticism on the sites with audience samples of of 1000 people or more. I had noted that some of the sites on Magnar's excellent table contained less than 500 reviews. Such small samples are too easily manipulated by campaign efforts and also, IMO, shouldn't be weighed anywhere near the same degree as sites in the tens or in some cases hundreds of thousands of people.

Magnar's comprehensive table also included %s of approval alongside out of 10 scores. Sometimes from the same sites which would then double-up. I don't see the merit in that approach personally and have excluded % of approval and focused more on out of 10 scoring systems. Somewhat related, Magnar's table frequently provided weighted and unweighted scores. Helpful to get a better idea of any 0 out of 10 scoring efforts but since some of those are harder to pull, seen less, and perhaps legitimately worthy of being excluded from sampling due to suspicious qualities I have focused only on the weighted averages that are more prominently featured.

What follows is an audience criticism update as of September 5th on many of the larger sample sites opposite the last known table data I pulled from Magnar's for Episode VIII.

Large Audience Site-------5-Sep 30-Jun
IMDB Weighted---------------7.2 7.3
IMDB Unweighted------------7.0 7.1
Metacritic-----------------------4.5 4.6
RT score------------------------5.8 5.8
Amazon US--------------------7.4 7.4
Amazon UK--------------------8.2 7.2
Best Buy US-------------------9.2 9.0
Vudu-----------------------------8.9 8.9
iTunes---------------------------6.6 6.9
Douban-------------------------7.1 7.2
Alocine--------------------------5.8 5.8
Yahoo Japan------------------7.94 7.58
Film Affinity--------------------6.2 6.3
Average Score--------------7.06/10.0 7.01/10.0

Combined sample of over 700,000 reviews.

With months of home video and streaming factored in here I think this is around where things will probably settle for most part with this movie on average among the big sites until any younger fans too young to drop reviews right now come of age the way the PT fans did in their wave of defence.

Wasn't sure if there'd be anything notable but there were a few anyway. Japan and the UK continue their trends up (Something I'd noticed on Magnar's table before) and Itunes has dropped slightly due to how the star rating works. Many are similar to the start of the summer.

 

Before TLJ was released, I'd rank TFA as being just behind the OT. Then R1 came out, which I thought was better than TFA. Then TLJ retroactively made TFA worse. Right now I rate TFA as lower than the prequels. (although the prequels are generally pretty bad, I do get some enjoyment out of watching them.....at least when it comes to TPM and ROTS.)

 

Updated Ranking:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Solo
8. Rogue One
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Attack of the Clones

 

1. The Last Jedi
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. A New Hope
4. Return of the Jedi
5. The Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Solo
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Attack of the Clones

I'll admit regarding one thing, each Star Wars movie brought in something to the table, both good and bad elements but really, I didn't like it the first time I saw it but dear, I adore it after rewatching it many times and looked back at my first viewing as the best one. It challenges us to think, and challenges our ideas and perceptions and does it in such a different way that it makes us answer our own questions. It's bold, but all movies have to be bold, but what makes it special is how it turns the table around, and trust me, what I saw was my Luke. I realised that all my head canon were never realistic and that legend who walked out of the Resistance base on Crait was the Luke I remember as a child and now as a teenager, the spark of hope that will inspire the Resistance to burn the First Order down.

I'm hoping Episode IX goes even higher than this.

 

Updated ranking:

The Empire Strikes Back -10.0/10.0

A New Hope - 10.0/10.0

The Last Jedi - 8.4/10.0

Return of the Jedi - 8.3/10.0

Rogue One - 7.8/10.0

The Force Awakens - 7.7/10

Revenge of the Sith - 7.6/10.0

Solo 7.3/10.

The Phantom Menace (As a younger kids movie for younger kids I give it an edge for excelling more at that) - 6.9/10.0 for little kids.
5.9/10.0 for me

Attack of the Clones - 5.8/10.0

 

Yeah, I think TFA ends up below the prequels for me too overall. Rogue One just kept gowing on me with each viewing and when you watch it between EP3 and EP4 it feels epic! A lot of people have a problem with AOTC but I find enough good in that film to enjoy it.

 

Now that I've seen Solo:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Last Jedi
4. Force Awakens
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Rogue One
8. Attack of the Clones
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Solo

 

Just watched the OT again, and I have a lot more ties in my list...

1. RO
2. ANH/ ESB
3. Solo
4. TLJ/ TFA/ ROTJ
5. TPM
6. AOTC
7. ROTS

 

Mine are different but I really like yours.

1. ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TLJ
5. TFA
ROTS
RO
SOLO
TPM
10. AOTC
Last: Clone Wars movie

 

1. The Empire Strikes Back - 9/10
2. A New Hope - 8.5/10
3. The Last Jedi - 8/10
4. Return of the Jedi - 7/10
5. Solo - 6.5/10
6. The Force Awakens - 6/10
7. Revenge of the Sith - 4/10
8. Rogue One - 4/10
9. The Phantom Menace - 2/10
10. Attack of the Clones - 1/10

 

Great! Which is the more recent rating? Why the update (to include Solo?)?

 

@Bor Mullet Why do you actively dislike RotS?

 

I think it is the sloppiest, most tonally inconsistent, most over the top and visually ugliest of all the Star Wars films. And the character development is ridiculous. To me, it just doesn't feel like Star Wars.

 

I don't agree, but I do appreciate the refreshing take. Thank you.

 

1. ESB
2. ANH
3t. ROTS/RO/ROTJ
6. SOLO
7. TFA
8. TPM
9t. AOTC/TLJ
11. TCW Movie

 

A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
Solo
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace

 

The Last Jedi is the worst film, agreed.

 

ROTS- 10/10
ESB- 10/10
TPM- 9/10
AOTC- 7.5/10
SOLO- 7/10
TLJ- 7/10
ANH- 6/10
ROTJ- 5/10
TFA- 4/10- While I think TFA is a better made movie than ROTJ, it is such a bland, hollow, and empty offering
RO- 4/10