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RAREST PIECES OF MY ENTIRE STAR WARS COLLECTION: 4 German Minibooks (published only in Germany)

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  1. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    [image=http://www.pauly-alsdorf.de/starwars/mini_luke_und_leia.jpg]

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    [image=http://www.pauly-alsdorf.de/starwars/mini_die_jedi-ritter.jpg]

    RAREST PIECES OF MY ENTIRE STAR WARS COLLECTION: 4 German Minibooks (published only in Germany)

    In discussions with Plaristes, I typed up lots of info from them and now I present it to you, too.
    PS: If Dan, Jason, Abel, Leeland or Nathan read this... ;) use it!

    4 unnumbered Minibooks total
    Author: Oliver Denker, Head of Official Star Wars Fanclub Germany back then 1997
    Publishing House: HEYNE, Munich

    1 Han Solo und Chewbacca -
    2 Die Jedi Ritter -
    3 Das Imperium -
    4 Luke & Leia -

    Finally you get the information on the German books:

    Most interesting is that they feature a page which looks like a letterhead with a date. The date looks like the Adventure Journal Resynch Dates from WEG but does not fit with the Resynch Calendar since the books say they review history from 1000 ABY. So to me it seems this might hint at either an Author error (most likely) or a new calendar being in use at the time 1000 ABY.

    Well, I will give you detailed information in the order it appears in the books, and will regroup the info later into several subtopics for discussion in here. Also I will add my notes in (...) or mark them so you see what is fact, quote or my notes.

    Each is written like an in universe history book from a pov 1000 years ABY (you heard me right!).

    Series called Heyne-Mini books

    Paperback: 127 Seiten
    Publishing House: Heyne Verlag (August 1997-1998)
    ISBN-10: 345312135X
    ISBN-13: 978-3453121355

    ISBN-10: 3453121341
    ISBN-13: 978-3453121348

    price: about 8 to 20 Euro on amazon germany or ebay where some copies can still be found by private sellers





    Details on each book:

    1 Han Solo und Chewbacca

    Letterhead page translated (scan follows):

    New Republic Holomessage
    35 : 3 : 6 /cdn/
    G8FD.1.IPC/POL
    Source: Journal of the Whills
    To: Senator Heria Organa
    From: Historian Halsyykh
    Topic: Han Solo & Chewbacca


    My Notes:
    -The numbers sound like a date and then random numbers and letters
    -Each book has multiple letterhead pages starting the chapters each, all with a different number in the "date". Maybe they are not dates but file numbering, hmm.
    -Heria Organa seems to be an heir of the bloodline of Bail Organa I think
    -Halsyyk sounds Wookiee do me
    -This historybook is inuniverse based on the Journal of the Whills. I wonder if R2, the Keeper of the Journal of the Whills helped^^

    The other numbers from chapter start pages are (I only type what changes from the above):

    34:3:6
    G8FD
    topic: The Honor of the Lawless

    39:3:6
    G8FD
    topic: Han's fate

    37:3:6
    G4FD
    topic: end of the wild days

    32:3:6
    L5GD
    topic: The Millennium Falcon

    32:3:6
    L5GD
    topic: Quotes of Han Solo

    36:3:6
    G2BD
    topic: Quotes of Chewbaccy


    2 Die Jedi Ritter

    Letterhead page translated:

    New Republic Holomessage
    34 : 3 : 6 /cdn/
    G2FD.1.IPC/POL
    Source: Journal of the Whills
    To: Senator Heria Organa
    From: Historian Halsyykh
    Topic: The Jedi Knights and the Forgetting


    Other chapter intros:

    34:3:6
    G2FD
    topic: Rise of the Jedi

    36:3:6
    H6FD
    topic: Jedi Lore

    34:5:6
    H2DD
    topic: The Fall of the Old Republic

    35:2:6
    G7DD
    topic: Portrait of Darth Vader

    34:3:6
    G2FD
    topic: The Lightsaber

    34:3:6
    G2FD
    topic: Portrait of Yoda

    33:3:4
    J2FD
    topic: Quotes of Grandmaster Yoda

    34:3:6
    G2FD
    topic: Portrait of Obi Wan Kenobi

    34:7:6
    G2FD
    topic: Famous Jedi Knights

    listed are:
    Exar Kun
    Ulic Quel_Droma
    Nomi Sunrider
    Bodo Baas
    Obi Wan Kenobi
    Joruus C'Baoth (wrong spelling in book)
    Tionne
    Yoda
    Vima-Da-Boda
    Vodo-Siosk-Baas
    Arca Jeth




    3 Das Imperium:

    Letterhead:
    35:3:6
    G8FD.1.IPC/POL
    topic: The Fall of the Old Republic

    35:9:6
    M8FS
    topic: Rise of the Empire

    35:8:6
    G4DD
    topic: Portrait of Emperor Palpatine

    35:2:6
    G7DD
    topic: Portrait of Darth Vader

    35:4:7
    G7EE
     
  2. tjace

    tjace Jedi Master star 4

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    Wow. That Rise of the Empire section was awesome. I normally like the prequels, but this would have been so much better. Also, good to have parts far in the future, because as of now the timeline only extends to 137 in the ABY direction. I wish I could read German!
     
  3. Dallista

    Dallista Jedi Master

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    *looks oddly at her set of mini-books* Huh, I never realized they were in any way considered "rare". I've so often thought about just throwing them in the trashcan... I don't even remember where I got them from; maybe while on vacation in Berlin or something. ;-)
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Wow- that's a fascinating look at pre-prequel concepts and plans for the prequels. Fantastic. =D=


    Does that strike anyone else as "Force Ghosts 101"?
     
  5. Plaristes

    Plaristes Jedi Master star 3

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    CH has done fandom a real service, as these books, at least in the US, seem to be even more obscure than the French rpg mags that contain Star Wars scenarios. I had considered trying to track these down before, but decided against it since they would undoubtedly sit unread on my shelf (just like the two Hohlbein Indiana Jones novels that I own) because I don't know German well enough to read them.

    The info here is very interesting. With the cancellation of the Plagueis novel, this is probably the most ever written about Palpatine's backstory (and the early parts of it are still consistent with the EU). I also find it interesting that Leia is said to be buried on Coruscant. I would have thought that a pre-prequel source would have assumed that she force ghosted when she died.
     
  6. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    1.0, you mean. Or 0.1, even.
     
  7. KamSolusar

    KamSolusar Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    Great summary! Those books were collecting dust on my shelf for over a decade and I had occasionally thought about posting some information from them on this forum. But this is better than what I could have done.

    I especially liked the mention of a second clone war. I can remember that this theory floated around on these forums back before AOTC was released, when we were still gathering the sparse information about the Clone Wars from older sources.

    I think Denker used the novelizations (the prelude of the ANH novel was our main source for pre-Empire history and Palpatine's rise to power back in 1996), some WEG books, a few Marvel comics and probably some other early sources like the poster magazines.

    It doesn't say anything like "(c) Lucasfilm Ltd.", so they probably never saw it before it was released. And it was a rather low-profile release, not reprinted and I wouldn't be surprised it they never showed up in any book catalogue. Oliver Denker was head of the official German fan club and maybe chief editor of the official German SW magazine back then (can't really remember), so he should have known how to get it approved by LFL. I also have three other Heyne mini books, including the X-Files fanbook (Akte X - Das Fanbuch) from 1994 and the Star Trek fanbook (Das Star Trek Fan-Buch) from 1997. Both only say "Copyright by the author and Wilhelm Heyne Verlag", too. So I guess they just didn't care and Lucasfilm didn't know about it.
     
  8. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Could you scan the page with the famous SSDs on it? If they are described as being WEG type SSDs (i.e. same as Executor) than that little book may have just added as many as 4 new Executor class ships to the EU (Gladiator, Conquerer, Empire, and Intruder are all new I believe, though some names have been used on other classes before) [:D][face_dancing]
     
  9. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    will scan it later or tomorrow ;)

    The page lists them as I listed them without a description. The text that comes on earlier pages describing the SDS and SSDS sounds like taken verbatim from WEG Imperial Sourcebook or any other sourcebook complete with numeric data. But since the book only makes a difference between SSDS and SDS and mentiones no other classes or subclasses for Stardestroyers it is a safe bet that they are indeed Executor-clones ;)
     
  10. jSarek

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    Before we get too excited, we should probably verify whether these books are official or not; KamSolusar up above couldn't find any evidence of Lucasfilm's touch on the books.
     
  11. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    well,... of course we need to verify that and check that, but some french rpg mag articles as well as other obscure stuff exists with the same problems. At the time these books had been published, lots of other material came out with the same obscure status of canon or noncanon. WEG RPG mag articles are just one thing, we had spanish and french only Indiana Jones young reader books, comics, Japanese Indy Mangas and 2 german only Indiana Jones novels by Hohlbein (thx to Plaristes for pointing me to the rare nongerman stuff about Indy ;)). Considering all that was common around the time of the Special Edition's release and the Holocron either just started or was not even in existence yet, copyright stuff might have been handeled different back then, or more freely. These minibooks are no exception but the rule of that time's lesser known publications. Also WEG had had only very few books translated into german back then before it was no more.

    Sidenote: Also a Young Indiana Jones Adventures Mini book exists in the same series from the same publishing house, but like the aforementioned X-Files book, and others (Jurassic Park, Star Trek biographies, Star Trek Lexikon, etc.) it just contained Young Indy TV series episode retelling of the first seasons most important episodes.

     
  12. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I've heard of these. They're from the German Fan Club -- they're not official. With no LFL copyright on them at all, when the material is entirely under LFL copyright, there's no way this is at all official or that LFL ever saw this. It's not canon.
     
  13. Plaristes

    Plaristes Jedi Master star 3

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    I just now noticed this. As far as I know, the only other pre-prequel source to say that some of the stormtroopers are clones is the "Soldiers of the Empire" article in Star Wars Official Poster Monthly.
     
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