Full Series Rebels 3.19 - Double Agent Droid - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I usually don't go for droid episodes but I enjoyed this one and AP-5 a lot. Until the end that is. It would have been much more interesting if the Imperials were able to get 50% of the file,all of it or even just have to report back to Thrawn that they failed and that the Rebels got what they came for. Chopper not blowing up but an entire ship does? So it was great until then. And then it was back to the same old stuff.


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i liked the episode. i was worried towards the end it was the end of AP-5. i was hoping they'd finish off chopper though

 

It was an alright episode. Not exactly the most exciting episode, but a somewhat enjoyable one.

Nice to see some Imperials actually seeing through Chopper's re-used disguise (and as I suspected, Thrawn did catch on to him). In regards to the Controller, it's interesting that while the rest of his crew got seem to be robotic in behavior (what eventually happened to Lobot), the Controller seems to have more autonomy despite having the same implants. And it's amusing to see someone with glasses and not an electronic visor (like the other cyborgs) in the Star Wars universe to deal with the eyestrain gained from being around computers all the time.

We finally get to (sort of) see a toilet.

And I laughed when AP-5 was about to break into a musical number before the Ghost interrupted him. It feels out of place (as was what a lot of us fans feared when Disney first bought the franchise), but it ends up being hilarious because it was attempted by a comically dour character.

 

Yeah, I think I need to rant for a bit.

I’m going to agree with others about Hera causing the Imperial ship to explode was over the top, senseless and narratively pointless. And in an universe where droids have pain receptors, it feels a bit of an extreme vendetta. Was it really necessary to kill non-combatants just because “no one messes with my droid!”? This is show is pretty good at getting me on the side of the Imperials.

This could have been a new insight into Hera’s character to be expended further, though it’s pretty clear the writers just wanted it to be a badass moment for her – it just came across as ridiculous instead. But what felt particularly off about that scene is that if this was Anakin in TCW, his actions would have certainly been judged by the other characters, for a good reason. And yet, I can’t even imagine TCW Anakin, who was quite an extremist himself, doing such an extreme thing to R2.

And I think this is becoming an issue with this show for me: characters' actions too often come across as too cartoon-ish and the victories are becoming too dependent on character stupidity, plot convenience and deus ex machina, like TFA on steroids. Relationships between characters feel thin and too consequence-free. They hint at character development but hardly commit to it. Ezra was a bit of an exception in the season premiere, but that was quickly resolved and now he’s the same exact guy as he was before. Sabine got one episode and then just went on a vacation, with no sense of an emotional separation. Which is fine in itself because there are many shows that are also endless episodic adventures of permanently static characters where they can do whatever because it’s a cartoon and nothing matters, but that hinders humanization and my ability to relate to them. They even feel detached from the very universe they are inserted.

Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy the stories told in these episodes. I just can’t connect with the characters enough to be sad or happy for them whenever something happens.


But anyway, about this episode: I thought it was fun. I appreciate the wackiness of the musical number. My favorite bit was the droid with a female voice (finally!). I also liked the Imperials design here and the atmosphere. I still find AP-5 annoying though.

 

The invincible Ghost crew are tiresome and un-Star Wars like, the OT and PT put the main characters in harms way and even killed some of them off.

I'd honestly prefer a show about AP-5 over Rebels.

 

Maybe I'm the only one but I read all the (canon) novels, marvel comics etc and it all feels like one big cohesive universe EXCEPT Rebels. It's tone and presentation just feel so jarring compared to everything else

In novels- we have a power mad admiral sacrificing the entire empire in an effort to start anew and make a point
In comics- we have a rogue archaeologist and her two murder bots going around space while Leia is forced to watch as hundreds of unarmed imperial prisoners are massacred by a crazed former rebel
In films- we have a group of ner-do-wellers coming together to form an assault on an imperial base only for everyone to die except a small shimmer of hope
In rebels- we have a stuck up droid singing in space while a load of pink fluffly aliens swim along side him before he bangs his head on an oncoming ship- CLANG (someone award Filoni the 2017 comedy award))

The biggest shame as well is that for most casual fans rebels is pretty much the only type of star wars content they're able to experience between films.

 

How has Thrawn made more progress than Vader or Tarkin?

 

This felt like the Holiday Special of Rebels episodes. And I like it.

 

This episode...rocked.


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They cant though...Rogue One.

 

That scene was pretty bad, I mean the amount of power they pulled out've Hera's refresher put Tyranus, Sidious and Talzin's lightning to shame.

 

I'm very sure the goofy ending with the pink things surrounding AP-5 is actually a parody of the people who thought that the show would be "Disneyfied and kiddy".

 

This episode felt in a way like they jumped the shark. Which is ridiculous at this point in the series. Filoni taking a backseat this season is definitely being felt.


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It would have been an acceptable, fun little episode, if they didn't destroyed Pablo Hidalgo's ship.
That was so ******* stupid.
Man, **** these rebels, they are nothing like they movie counterparts.

 

I agree with the self-awareness --- if you watch Rebels Recon Filoni even uses the word "filler" and makes it clear he is aware of the fanbase calling them that.

However -- if the consequences are some of us hate these episodes while others love them -- well, I guess that means they are acting not only in accordance with every single episode of TCW and Rebels but also with most every other TV show on the planet as well as any other artistic / creative endeavor in the history of mankind.

I happen to like your general analysis of all things Star Wars that I read here -- even if / when I disagree. However -- you are over the top negative on this show in my opinion and seem to overlook the fact that so many others disagree with you as if your opinion is the only opinion that matters.
I say this with respect and I do believe you give your honest opinion. And that is fair and well within bounds. I just feel 98% of your posts in the Rebels forum are 98% negative.
If nothing else, I just want you to consider "taking it for what it is" meaning that Rebels is Rebels -- a less critical eye might allow more enjoyment. We fans cannot really affect the direction of the series or what the creators are going to do. We can control how we choose to view the series. Enjoy it for what it is and do a little less not liking it for what it isn't.

You'll live longer my friend!

 

If I come across as negative or extreme, its with good reason I would say. I think they could do better, and when they do they put on a solid show they're often top notch in quality - but I'd like more consistency from them. But I know its Hollywood and they have such and such to deal with and ect. I consider myself a gruff but fair minded person and speaker, I always tend to call things the way I see them and many times I say things in jest where I'm not wholly serious and just shooting the breeze - I am a New Yorker.

 

Ok my biggest beef was,

and AP-5 singing in space that to me was to much like the holiday Star Wars Special other then those two things I liked It.

 

Yea - I get that about you -- which is why I wanted to make sure I didn't come across as nasty or offensive. And it's certainly not like you are some unique basher of all things Rebels -- that goes without saying. Could they do better? Yes. But few things are perfect - I'm sure I'm not perfect at my job and yet I am trying to please my partners and my clients 99.99% of the time.

I'm a New Yorker myself -- born, bred, and present -- must be why I was comfortable mentioning your posts in this context.

When people get worked up over something like AP-5 singing because it doesn't fit into their personal view of Star Wars Rebels -- it's antithetical to the fact that it IS what Star Wars Rebels is - from time to time. I thought I was having some kind of flashback for a sec -- and I loved it. Suffice to say I'm a heck of a lot more excited for next week as well as any episodes that drive the mythos and inter connectivity of Star Wars in general. But I can live with these ones as well.