ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Agreed. I know just about everyone here hates Rey giving Kylo a chance for redemption after the things he did to her, but unlike Luke in OT, she already beat Kylo once.

Narratively, you're not going to see Rey after TFA, grow to have more intense anguish for killing Kylo or want revenge on him. If TPTB did, they wouldn't have her beat Kylo in the first movie already.

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Thanks (or rather no thanks) to the Force bond, Rey already knows Kylo's deepest fears and insecurities. Just as he knows hers. They're in each others' head so to speak. Unlike the long lost father/son dynamic of Luke and Vader.

We already know from interviews that JJ will follow up with the Force bond (or as Driver calls it, maybe-bond) in TROS.

 

I explain it in here all the time. I don't have to to re-write why I feel it is compelling every time I post.

 

Rey is a role model to young girls. Do you really think forgiving a serial killer is a good message? What is Rey achieving by forgiving Kylo?

 

Why did Luke forgive Vader? Why didn't Lucas just have Luke kick Vader and Palpatine's butts and end RotJ like that?

I guess it's because Star Wars doesn't follow the least path of pathos, ethos and logos like other action films.

 

Things we know about Kylo and Rey in this film:
-Force connection will run stronger and deeper than in TLJ
-Daisy described Rey, Finn, Poe as "friends" when describing relationship, and then something interesting with Kylo. Adam has said something along the lines of "maybe bond"
-Heavy hints at redemtion
-Boyega excited because he was not in a bunch of scenes with Rey and Kylo

Where this is going is anybodies guess, but there is definitely an interesting dynamic between the two characters going into TROS. I'm happy to see this after it was successfully explored in TLJ.

 

Not "everyone" is going to like an idea or vision. If "everyone" liked everything, then things would be a lot easier in the world. The majority of folks thought the dynamic between Kylo and Rey was one of the highlights of the film. I know that is not the case on this site, so I am not even going to try an argue it.

 

So what are people expecting Rey and Kylo to be chit-chatting about in this time in this force bond that's stronger and deeper than ever?

 

Luke refused to join Palpatine. He rejected the temptation of going to the dark side. Luke showed he had integrity and morals. He was willing to die for those things. He "kicked their butts" by standing up for what he believes in.

 

That's fine for you then.

Not everyone bought Luke's "because he's my father" from the OT. ("Hey Luke, remember the charred remains of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru who raised you").

I concede that some things don't work for every audience member I guess.

 

Basically-
Kylo: calls Rey. No answer
Kylo: calls Rey. No answer
Kylo: texts Rey. “I just need to talk to you. Please reply (Message read.) No reply
Kylo: calls Rey. No answer.
Kylo: calls Rey. Rey answers.
Rey: leave. Me. Alone. (Hangs up)
Kylo: texts Rey. “You’re making a mistake. You know we have a connection. You can’t do better than me. Give me one more chance! (No reply)
Kylo: calls Rey. **That number is no longer in service.**

 

Plus, even if 100% of the audience worshiped the ground Kylo walked on and related to him like he was their personal avatar in life, the issue is that Rey had no reason to relate or care about him. Rey is our protagonist and her perspective should have been the focus, even if she was the only person in the universe who felt that way. That is where the story fails.

 

So I recall that Rey reached out her hand and waited. Kylo for some reason I still don't get reached out with his hand second without his glove and they did a Vulcan mind meld that the audience didn't see because they touched hands. Unfortunately the audience didn't see this "force Skye vision" and I don't still understand this "relationship".

The let's all be woe is me Kylo falls flat because of lack of information on this "bond" between Rey and Kylo so it doesn't make sense. *sighs* what a mess. That and Rey gets the short end of a stick.

 

I believe Daisy said “fun friendships” but didn’t specify with who exactly.

I don’t recall John being excited *because* he wasn’t in some Rey/Kylo scenes.

I’ve seen quite a few such misquotes/misunderstandings be repeated endlessly over the years and form the foundations of theories.

 

I have to say that just anecdotally, from my own personal experience with various social media platforms over years, this forum seems more accurately representative of the fandom as a whole than the assorted echo chambers or platforms with significantly young target demographics that tend to only push one prevailing opinion and drown out all others. Yes, there are fans who only use certain platforms or don't use social media at all. There are people who watch the movies but don't expend any additional energy on discussing it. It's not a perfect system, but there's a decent mix here, so idk why you would so lighty dismiss how the people on this forum view the dynamic between Rey and Kylo. Which, it's worth mentioning, one can find entertaining or intriguing without wanting Rey to ignore Kylo's laundry list of crimes.
"Not everyone" thinks Kylo needs or warrants a happy ending. Just because you do doesn't mean hardcore fans and ga alike agree with you. You could very well be in the minority, as there is no scientific method to guarantee an accurate accounting for every single person who will see the movie.

 

Exact quotes:

Daisy: "I just think they've just done a great job with all the relationships like with the fun friendships and with the sort of strange thing with Rey and Kylo [Ren]."
-Pretty easy to read the writing on the wall with that one. The ST "Big 3" are the "fun" friendship and her and Kylo have something strange going on.

John: "I'm not in a lot of the scenes that Rey has with Kylo Ren. So my curiosity just hit the roof.”
- He has said this and also on the Celebration stage that the dynamic between Kylo and Rey is what has the fans excited.

Something I don't do is just make up stuff to form my own theories. I think theories ruin Star Wars because people get wrapped up in their own head cannons with them. If you see me quote something or say something, it was said that way.

 

To be fair, he said it when asked about the title "The rise of Skywalker":

"This is just very specific: ‘Rise of Skywalker.’ And I don't know what it actually means," Boyega admitted. "Bearing in mind that I’m a part of it, but there were certain changes to the script while we're filming and I'm not in a lot of the scenes that Rey has with Kylo Ren. So my curiosity just hit the roof.”

His curiosity is more about the meaning of the title than about the relationship Kylo/Rey. But yes, indeed, he also said among other things that fans wanted to see the dynamic Kylo/Rey:

"“The Skywalker saga is done. It felt amazing being part of this final fight. For me, after Episode 8, I wanted more clarity. I had so many questions. I am the Star Wars fan, on set, that likes to debate everything. So for me, I just wanted to see more. I wanted to know about these characters. I wanted to see them together. So I was like, c’mon JJ man, I haven’t written a drop yet but I know exactly what the fans want. They want to see everybody together. They want to see the dynamics between Rey and Kylo. They want more explanation of the [Jedi] path. So let’s do it! So I’m glad JJ was on the same exact page.”

And yes of course the "fun friendship" is what Rey has with Poe, Finn, Rose, Leia etc. I mean, who else could it be? She certainly doesn't have a fun friendship with Kylo. She may develop a friendship with the new characters Jannah and Zorri, but anyways, fun friendship = the Resistance and their allies.

 

Anecdotally, I find this thread not to be representative of fandom but instead it operates to me, imho, as a filibustering echo chamber of about 10 or less fierce anti-reylo, anti kylo - redemptionist, pro reywalker/soloist. There is a ton of opinions out there, on the internets that are more highly nuanced than Whoa! I love reylo or conversely, Ugh I hate reylo and everything that it implies.

 

I thought Reylo was the dumbest thing I had ever heard of after TFA, I seriously thought the shippers were insane. After TLJ it actually started to make a lot of sense as to what they had been seeing the entire time. Now watching TFA you can see how it got started. Going into TROS I have no idea if they will continue this, but TLJ made it for me to where it would not be surprising or feel out of place.

 

I thought reylo was a ship like almost any other after TFA, meaning I thought it was totally irrelevant to the films. I didn't think it was dumb, although I did find the overly arrogant "reylo is canon and Rey Related theorists are too obsessed with their theories and we read fairy tales so we know what's really happening and our theories dont make us terrible fans like Rey related theories make yall!" commentary pretty pushy and irritating.

After TLJ, now I think it's clear LF is at least on board with teasing something that is imo grossly outdated and explicitly misogynistic in numerous ugly ways. So yeah, I think it's dumb because it's a dumb story (but I don't think internet shipping is dumb, whatever floats your boat I don't care).

I don't care if LF does something dumb. I'd just rather they have the guts to stop beating around the bush and do it already. If I knew this was Twilight melodrama from the beginning, I would have been checked out from the beginning and that would be preferable. If RJ and LF had any guts, Rey would have joined Kylo in slaughtering the Resistance and then ended TLJ with reylo making out on Achoo celebrating Luke's defeat. Then we'd know, the debate could end, those into it could speculate on what reylo will do next, and those not into it would be into the next thing. And all the GA would do the same thing they're doing now - show up opening weekend and then promptly forget about it.

Edit - of course JB was talking about the title. It's why I'm onfident the title isn't referring to Rey, Finn and Poe on a hunt for Luke's last podcast to upload on iTunes. JB wouldn't be curious about the title of that was it.

As far as JB saying people want to see whatever between Rey and Kylo, of course this would be manipulated into assuming that = reylo. Newsflash - protagonists and antagonists generally face off and actually should by definition be the central focus of the climax of The conflict the film. It doesn't mean they're lovers, nor does it mean JB was saying everyone wants to watch Rey and Kylo make good goo eyes at each other. Take Black Panther. Unlike TLJ, that movie was pretty well received across the board. The hero/villain dynamic was wonderful. It didn't suffer at all for being boring old cousins. Or how about IW and Endgame? Who wasn't looking forward to CA and/or IM and/or Thor facing Thanos? Nobody thought they were hot for each other, and nobody missed it either. It's actually reductive the way actors and really anyone at LF can't discuss the protagonist and the antagonist without shippers turning it into a shipper comment. It's not unless they say it is. It's actually not normal for a franchise to hide a central romance.

 

I don't see how important a detail that is. I mean, how many fans wanted to know that?

As I said before, as long as the franchise is active, there will always be continuity errors that pop up, even with good coordination. The fact that they've been stuff like this so far shows that the Story Group is working.

 

I may not liked the way RJ wrote/directed some of the aspects of Rey & Kylo's interaction. But, faux reylo is not. It is/was/will be real it is an integral part of the story.

In the beginning, in many corners of the male dominated SW fandom, Reylo's were treated as if they were insane, talked down and condescended too. There was a ton of gate keeping and their still is. As an older female fan of SW and an immediate taken by the dynamic between Rey & Kylo and recognized the motifs that were at play.... Yes, I am a sci-fi fan, a fan of the romance genre and the romance classics of Erye & Bronte, and like George Lucas I am an avid fan of long form story telling i.e. Soap Operas, and I have studied mythology for years so I saw what I saw and so did a whole bunch of other Reylo's so sue me/ sue us.

I am still perturbed at the way a portion of this fandom get's treated and deeply disturbed by the way Reylo's are put down in this thread, and it is probably why many of them have given up interacting or posting in this thread.

I am not a "shipper" , Rey & Kylo interactions/dynamic/relationship was the story for me from the beginning.

Your first assumption was wrong and why is it that when women debate about a story it is pushy and irritating? When male fans have theories wacky or otherwise is it considered pushy or irritating? I found the Rey Skywalker/Solo theorists telling people of course Rey is a Skywalker... this is a Skywalker Saga Duh... you Reylo people are "crazy hysterical women" (implied) who watch fairy tales, of course Rey & Kylo will be related quit shipping them comments misogynistic(internalized or otherwise) , sexist and condescending.

Rey joining Kylo was not the point of her story. The point was that she resisted the temptation.