ST Rey's Parents

I don't know about you, but I think this issue is still very much up in the air. I think Kylo was lying to Rey in an attempt to manipulate her to turn, playing into her fears.

If they were junkers who died on Jakku, she would have been told as much many times over while growing up.

I still think she's a Skywalker.

 

I don't know how much more clear TLJ could have been.

 

Pretty much put a fork in this one, its done. Yes, they actually decided to make her Random. Did you find it profoundly satisfying? I did not.​

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Even if they wanted to go back on it, who the heck is left that is alive that it would make any difference?​

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I expect Abrams will simply ape ROTJ as best he can and push something out with Rebels blowing up Ren's Big Gun with angsty banter between Rey and Ren to finish the trilogy. They really wrote themselves into a corner on this one and I really don't think they quite understand how badly they messed this up just yet, with pretty much no wiggle room. Because nobody really wants to see that first line of this paragraph. They could have had 6 solid films and instead they'll be lucky if 9 doesn't tank. Hell... they'll be lucky if the backend of 8 doesn't tank once people actually get to see this film.​

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It'll do fine opening weekend, as nobody will ever believe they screwed up this badly. If I posited what we got as a theory before release, nobody would have believed it. Anakin as her father was more realistic and true to The Saga.​

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And the really sad part is that its actually a well-constructed movie. But its railing against stuff and doing things that the Anthologies were supposed to fix. They were supposed to be the breakers of the mold. Go nuts there.​

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Having an Episodic Movie do the same, is ridiculous.​

 

He could of been lying or not , like Yoda has said "Joined the Dark Side Dooku has. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now."

 

Sure. But they pretty much killed everybody else off(and Leia won't play a part in 9, obviously). There is no one left that would be even remotely interesting or relevant to The Saga to be her parents(of which at least one would need to be living and in the present to provide drama). Rian pretty much wrote them into a corner. They have to stick to Rey Random now, even if 9 fails spectacularly. There is no Plan B.

 

Spoiler

KYLO REN: You know the truth. Say it.
REY: They were nobody.
KYLO REN: They were filthy junk traders who sold you off for drinking money. They’re dead, in a paupers’ grave in the Jakku desert.

This is a lie. Not only is it a lie, it's a blatant and obvious lie. We know that Rey's parents left Jakku on a space ship - we saw that in the force vision in 'The Force Awakens'. Ergo, they're not buried in a pauper's grave on Jakku. Since that's obviously wrong... we can't accept anything about this claim.

This actually fits with one of the major themes of 'The Last Jedi' - inverting and reversing beats from the Original Trilogy. In a way it acts as a negation of 'The Force Awakens', taking the expectations of the audience and destroying them. Snoke is beaten by a cheap trick. Rey is told her parents are nobodies buried in a pauper's grave on Jakku.

In 'The Empire Strikes Back', Luke was told the truth by Vader about his parentage. Luke thinks he knows who his father was only to have that reality stripped away from him.

In 'The Last Jedi', Rey is told a lie by Kylo about her parentage. Rey doesn't know who her parents are (she suspects they were nobody), only to have that belief reinforced by Kylo Ren.

On a side note... I don't really see Luke's 'death' at the end of the film as a death so much as 'ascending' or 'becoming one with the force'. Luke gets his breath back, straightens upon the rock, and then vanishes. He doesn't collapse and vanish or get struck by a lightsaber and vanish. He sits up and vanishes.

Moreover, the movie establishes for the first time something that was in the old drafts for Star Wars. Force ghosts aren't just ghosts. They're powerful. Yoda calls down lightning from the sky and laughs about it. Not only that, force ghosts are solid enough to clobber you over the head with a cane and interact with their environment just like a person. At this point, I could almost argue that becoming a force ghost is like getting a ticket to effective omnipotence and immortality.

 

Luke may have passed on, but he's not done... he's force ghost Luke and can still have very emotional scenes down the line with Rey if need be.

 

What makes you think Junk Traders don't use space ships? Its a common trope of Space Stories to have people that buy cheap on one planet and sell for a profit on another. After all, the Falcon didn't get to Jakku magically. Most of the stuff you saw in TFA likely didn't originate on Jakku. Han was a smuggler by trade. On the low end of that would probably be Junk Traders. Give me something that is plentiful but useless here, I give you something that you need but is junk somewhere else. Given the margins may be very low and a kid eats up money, it actually does make sense that those type of people would sell her off if they couldn't make ends meet. As a bonus, it would feed the Evils of Capitalism bent from TLJ.

In fact, if you're getting rid of Light and Dark and instead make everyone equal and everybody have the ability to be Force Sensitive, you're basically riding the lightning with looking to institute some form of Communistic/socialistic Galactic Government to end 9, with Rey being the poster child for everyone being equal :/.

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Fine.. give me names. Who could be her parents? At least one has to be living and in the present for drama. They literally have killed everyone else off.

About the only free agent here is Maz Kanata. Always possible you could invent a scenario where she knew them.

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If he's not living, those don't further the story and would be fan service. If you're going to make her parent(s) relevant and reverse the Rey Random decision, at least one needs to be living so they're part of the direct narrative and creates drama. Having Rey get all misty with ghost Luke would be ridiculous and add nothing to the story.

 

Kylo Ren deceived Snoke and lied to Hux. He could be lying to Rey or reading her fear and feelings from the dark side cave under the island where she got no answers. He was trying to turn her to the dark side and she ultimately rejected doing that with him.

Either way, this aspect of the story is not much fun for people anymore.

 

Agree to disagree. Being a physical living being and being an immortal force being is nothing but semantics on what it would do on screen.

 

I thought that Kylo Ren was telling her the truth.

While we still don't know who the hell her parents are, I think it's clear that it doesn't matter. We can move on now and focus on what's next.

 

Kylo didn't tell Rey her parents were "nobody." She did and he just filled in the blanks. Watch the movie again. This is over. Time to let old things die.

 

After thinking about it I'm actually ok with the whole "nobody" angle. My only thing is that people are going to need some confirmation about this if we are truly going to accept it. Part of the reason we go back to see Yoda in RotJ is that we need to hear from the green master himself whether Darth Vader's words about being Luke's father were true. We are going to need something similar in episode IX if we are going to really move on from this.

I'm also wondering if this whole movie was designed to be a red herring to potential reveals in J.J. Abrams film. We will have two years to accept Rey being a "nobody" and Snoke being easily put down but I have a suspicion that this film was meant to throw us off our balance and allow whatever character twist to happen organically without the weight of thousands of fanboy theories pushing for a certain point of view.

 

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the-last-jedi-spoiler-rey-parents/2/
Writer-director Rian Johnson prefaced his answer by saying J.J. Abrams and Argo Oscar-winner Chris Terrio are currently writing the next movie right now.
“I can’t speak to what they’re going to do. And there’s always, in these movies, a question of ‘a certain point of view,” Johnson said, invoking Obi-Wan’s line from Return of the Jedi, explaining why he told Luke his father was dead rather than the truth that he had become Darth Vader.
“But for me, in that moment, Kylo believes it’s the truth,” Johnson added. “I don’t think he’s purely playing chess. I think that’s what he saw when they touched fingers and that’s what he believes. And when he tells her that in that moment, she believes it.”
There was no established origin that Johnson inherited when he signed on to the movie. He was free to resolve it as he liked.
“I was thinking, what’s the most powerful answer to that question? Powerful meaning: what’s the hardest thing that Rey could hear? That’s what you’re after with challenging your characters,” Johnson said.
“I think back to the ‘I am your father’ moment with Vader and Luke, and the reason I think that lands is not because it’s a surprise or a twist but because it’s the hardest thing Luke and thus the audience could hear at that moment,” he added. “It turns someone into a bad guy that you just hate and want to kill into suddenly, Oh my God, this is a part of our protagonist. We have to start thinking of this person in more complex terms. We need to start thinking in terms of a redemption arc.”
“In our movie, it’s kind of the opposite,” Johnsons said. “The easiest thing for Rey and the audience to hear is, Oh yeah, you’re so-and-so’s daughter. That would be wish fulfillment and instantly hand her a place in this story on a silver platter.”
“The hardest thing for her is to hear she’s not going to get that easy answer. Not only that, but Kylo is going to use the fact that you don’t get that answer to try and weaken you so you have to lean on him,” Johnson says. “You’re going to have to find the strength to stand on your own two feet and define yourself in this story.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...story-on-the-dark-new-star-wars-movie-w512703
Unlike almost everyone else in the world, Ridley has known for years who Rey's parents are, since Abrams told her on the set of The Force Awakens. Ridley believes that nothing ever changed: "I thought what I was told in the beginning is what it is." Which is odd, because Johnson insists he had free rein to come up with any answer he wanted to the question. "I wasn't given any directive as to what that had to be," he says. "I was never given the information that she is this or she is that."

 

Just think through the scenario they posited. Junk Traders does make perfect sense. Think of it like an Evils of Capitalism variant on The Cold Equations.

If you have to get from Planet A to Planet B to sell stuff and running out of money, selling off the moppet who is eating(literally) into your margins is the quickest way to help solve the problem. Maybe you'll come buy her back when things turn around... but really.. nah.

 

I think Rey's parents has not been decided yet and neither had Luke's life / death. Both are open for JJ to decide and he will write to appease the old school fans so Rey will be a Skywalker and Luke is not dead....

Just my hope....

 

Rey was abandoned and hid the truth to herself. That seems pretty tragic to me. She came to terms with it via the mirror scene and then with Ben. Of course, Ben is a darksider, so things he say could be lies. They could be, certainly. But It doesn't look like she's his brother or cousin, so you're left with, what? Obi, Palp (who always came off as asexual to me), someone else who's supposedly important? And the time line is all wrong for those character, How about Dooku? More obscure people general audiences don't know or care about? It's a rabbit hole in my view. Plus, Snoke also had his own commentary on Rey independent of what Ben was saying, she was a direct result of Ben, so the Force responded. Ben and Rey's connection is mystical, not biological. That's pretty cool in my book.

I do think chasing after ghosts isn't a good story arch when there's a war going on and she needs to decide what being a Jedi means now after Yoda got rid of the old Jedi text to wipe the slate clean. She has plenty on her plate, oh and whatever unresolved feelings she has for Finn as well. There's also the matter of Rey's vision for Ben as well. There's plenty of stories for Rey to tackle outside of chasing down an older version of Mara Jade for example. Han mentored her. Luke and her had their give and take about the role the Jedi should play, Leia and her had their moment where Leia ressured her they had everything they needed. Yoda helped remove baggage so she could forge a new spiritual path. There's been plenty the wise wizard trope in relation to Rey. What is one more going to do other than invalidate the trauma she went through? Oh, you're parents are really special after all and they had a good reason for your suffering . Horrible message in my view. I would never buy, for example, Han being ok with messing his daughter's mind *for her own good.* He's not a monster.

 

Told you it was Rian who set the origin. And he made her no one as it would be the hardest thing for her to deal with in the same way Vader being Luke’s father was the hardest thing for him to deal with. Totally agree with his reasoning.


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Personally, I don't have any more questions. I don't know what Daisy means here.

 

Would her story be more interesting if she were a Skywalker? No.
Would her story be less interesting if she weren't? No.

It makes no difference. Rey is Rey. That's all she needs to be.

 

I think ReySky and ReySolo will not happen (they had 2 movies to show it with OT3 alive), but I'm sure we will know more about Rey's family in IX

 

Did anyone actually pay attention to the movie ?

 

So which Kylo are we believing?

Because, while they were in the elevator he said something, like "After we touched hands, I know you'll help me because I know who your parents are."

Then, after the deed is done, he gets mad and says they were druggies who sold her into slavery. If I caught it right, one of them says they're in graves on Jakku, but didn't "they" supposedly leave the planet in a ship on TFA?

I feel like they were hinting at Rey Solo until that point (especially in the elevator), so the whole druggies-in-a-grave-on-Jakku was a bit odd. Why would he know that she would help him because her parents were Jakkuvian junkies? But if that turns out to be it, okay then...

 

As do I when Ben reveals it, and tell her that she has already known she started crying (almost admitting that her worst fear was realized) that her parents didn't want her, didn't accept her and thought food was more important than her. Which as we see in Last Jedi was a very sided point of how Kylo used that fact and the fact the Luke was relucant to lure Rey to his side when he needed her the most. (Snoke's throne room, when Luke was only telling her half truths) all of which continue to haunt her.

Although when they (Force facetimed at the end) and she closed the door to the Falcon on him I think it sent a clear message, although I don't know how clear.