ST Rian Johnson (Director Of TLJ) Discussion Thread

I mean, I guess their *broadly* similar if you want to try and force a comparison, lol. But using that metic a lot of movies "rip off" a lot of other movies just because two scenes have broad similarities. I suppose it could be an homage, but as stated above Johnson apparently hasn't even seen Escape from LA so that seems unlikely)

Humor?

What's that?

Sometimes I think @anakinfansince1983 takes things too seriously.

And then sometimes she surprises me

 

I think less broadly similar and more basically 50 percent similar, to me.

 

Oh my gawd it’s the same scene childhood ruined RJ is no longer a god to me

 

If people aren't that emotionally invested in something, they're not going to care if it was stolen or not, which is why no one cares about this.

 

My voluminous issues with TLJ do not need Escape from LA comparisons ha.

 

I never realized they were the same dude before, lol...

 

Now if you want to say Snake from Metal Gear Solid ripped off Snake from Escape from NY then I would agree. Its still a great game series.

 

I've been playing the VR missions of Metal Gear Solid. Im sure Rian Johnson likes Metal Gear Solid. See how I made that relevant?

 

Rian Johnson's Metal Gear

 

I don't see how talking about Rain Johnson in the Rain Johnson thread is in anyway relevant

 

Metal Gear Rey?

 

See guys, isn't this nice?

We don't *always* have to be at each other's throats over a silly movie

 

Yeah but I wasted a whole bucket of popcorn

 

Disney cast 2 different Directors, not giving a direction of the Trilogy and no one consulted with each other. Also, at least one of the Directors knew nothing about StarWars.

The Force Awakens comes out and the fan base was in an uproar, they said it was an exact copy of A New Hope.

Fans wanted a original story and idea, then they got one. After The Last Jedi fans were in a outrage, saying this doesn't feel like StarWars.

They put J.J. Abrams back for The Rise Of Skywalker and he tried to undo everything Rian Johnson did and it was disappointing

You can't create great films pandering to Fans. Disney made the biggest mistake and throws blame on the Directors. The Sequel Trilogy was mismanaged from the start.


Answering the Rian Johnson question, he's a creative Director and I liked most of The Last Jedi, except how they handled Luke. Rian Johnson wasn't a StarWars fan and didn't do the character service, but his ideas made room for something different and possibly great. Kylo overthrowing his Master and trying to start something new, Disney lost a major opportunity to do something unique and they failed.


I think Rian Johnson is a good Director and enjoyed his other movies. I don't see him as a great Director, but he's better than average for sure

 

While I agree that the management of the ST was badly handled and that TFA "borrowed" a lot from ANH. But TLJ "borrows" just as much if not more from ESB and RotJ so I don't felt it to be very "original".
It does some twists of some characters in order to be "See, this is different" But to me it didn't work.
Twisting Luke into this cynical person that was prepared to let the galaxy burn failed because the film did not do enough to make it believable.
It was the 8th film in a nine film series and the sequel to TFA and to me, it did not do a very good job of either.

The ST needed an overall plan or the same person doing all three to have some consistency.
Alas we did not get that and we had a first film with a number of flaws but with some potential and some characters that I liked. TLJ then shot itself in the foot and tossed much of that aside and RoS had to salvage something from two films that did not work together and it was a mess.

Bye for now.
Blackboard Monitor

 

Did we get something new? I think what we got was a lot of repeating beats of The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi.

 

I think RJ gets a lot of bad press because of his depiction of Luke as a cynic, but look at what he had to work with - JJ simply said in TFA that Luke had disappeared. He gave him no reason, so RJ had to come up with a valid reason as to why a 'King Arthur' type character had isolated himself like a willing Robinson Crusoe in space for more than half a decade.
He also had a character who was almost a blank slate - Poe Dameron - as he was scheduled to be killed off in TFA, and was simply a 'flyboy pilot', and nothing else. And finally, critics and fans were ridiculing Snoke as a pale version of Palpatine, and was getting more ridicule than awe.
So, he reimagines Poe, has Snoke killed off and replaced with Kylo Ren, tried to make Kylo sympathetic because of who his parents were, and also tried something different with Rey - making her a 'nobody' rather than someone with an illustrious background - for me that was actually why I liked her, she wasn't a Princess, or the descendant of a legendary hero, just a scavenger abandoned on a backwater world. And people proceeded to crucify him online for it.

Looking back, people complained that Disney did not try to please the fans - but I wonder if the mistake was because they were trying to please the fans? Too much.

 

Why does pleasing fans have to be a negative? I mean there are degrees of fan service. If done with skill and tactfully it works. Johnson (and JJ to a lesser degree) deliberately subverted everything just trying to be clever. He went completely in the other direction. Look at Mando and RO, it isn't that hard to get a general idea of what most fans want out of SW.