Full Series Savage Opress

It looks like Savage is holding a really cool looking shovel in that picture.

 

Yeah, an enchanted shovel .. talzin knew he was digging his own grave with it. They have like a Masters of the Universe movie look, I liked a lot of the designs for that low budget movie, was good minus the earth trip, heh.

 

Almost that whole film is the Earth trip...

 

Actually,

when Talzin gave Maul this cure to give him back his memory and the new legs in "Revenge", she didn't touch him the way she touched Savage after his enlargement in "Monster". Just yesterday I had another look into "The Wrath of Darth Maul" of Ryder Wyndham. There is this scene when Talzin wanted to abduct Maul from Orsis to bring him back to Dathomir. And while being with him in that Orsis space-haven, she promised to turn him into an outstanding warrior, to make Maul's horns large enough to kill somebody and to tenfold his abilities. He was almost 17 in that end of his Orsis-time. So I presume that Talzin had only one opportunity to make a warrior like this and when Maul wasn't available after she was denied to take him with her and he was lost at Naboo she made Savage her second choice for this upsizing-proceedure. At least she got some blood from Maul's wound at Orsis to make it part of that Talisman she later gave to Savage to find his brother almost 17 years later.

What I also realized in both TCW-Episodes was this initial grip to the neck of a nearstanding person after the metamorphosis. In "Monster", Savage after his enlargement is grabbing Ventress' neck choking her a bit, while in "Revenge" it is Maul after his re-birth, trying to choke Savage's neck this way (not Talzin's ) Is that initial choking grip a speciality of darksiders showing a kind of attachment to persons near to them in place and feelings or is it just a mere coincidence in both episodes?

 

Probably part of Lucas' mandate of everything being like poetry and rhyming. There is always this sorta thing found in the stories of a scene being identical or near identical being replayed over and over. Guess it works ok most of the time, depends I suppose.

Talzin apparently always uses her crystal ball to keep track of Maul or atleast have an idea, I think she was even speaking to Opress through the ball and talisman once he was nearer and nearer Lotho Minor, am not sure still why did not herself seek out Maul. Part of the problem I think lies in that originally there was only going to be Opress until Lucas decided lets bring Maul back, so the storyline may be haphazard in narrative where they'd need to do patch work. The writers are talented and I think do a good and its a certain medium, and I know they have bosses as well but sometimes the storylines are too convoluted. Talzin being Maul's mother could've been a late addition to the plot - although it was not surprising and I think they may been using the old concept Sith Witch and getting the idea this proto-Maul concept could actually be his mom sorta writers ideas.

Much of the future concept art for CW features Maul in complete Sith attire, am wondering now if Talzin made him master of Dathomir where now the males are dominate and he's training Zabrak Sith Nightbrothers as part of his new army. Am not sure why he did not first recruit nightbrothers in the first place instead of trying to threaten pirates for their loyalty. It never really seems like a grand plan that either Maul or Talzin had in mind, Maul just wanted to fight Kenobi again.

Looks like Clone Wars DS game from back in 2008 had already begun using Nightsisters and there is a proto-Talzin in the form of Sai Sircu, I wonder(probably not) if this game had any connection then to CW storyline as Talzin appeared to want Dooku dead over some offscreen wrong and Dooku did speak of some Nightsister and Sith old alliance:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sai_Sircu

 

Talzin actually didn't touch Opress after his transformation, she did that before the transformation, apparently as a way to get a feel of his power.

 

I wonder if they're going to retcon Maul and Savage being biological brothers.

Dathomirians always call one another "brother" and "sister" regardless of relation, so what Talzin says to Savage ("you have a brother") can still be true...from a certain point of view. Hell, Talzin could very well have made that up to motivate Savage.

It would also explain why Savage and Feral's skin color is different from Maul's.

 

Maul doesnt resemble much his mom either though(nor do Feral and Savage). Maul's siblings could be half-brothers :

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maul's_father

I wouldve suspected Brother Viscus to be Maul's dad, but Nightsisters are like Amazons apparently, and kill the male father or male child. Talzin appears to spare her child or children.

 

I hope not, I like the "magical oil bath at birth" explanation for that one. It also makes Yoda and Windu's immediate assessment of Savage and Maul's origin less far-fetched.

 

were is that from?

 

Mel Brooks' "History of the World Part I".

 

thanks

 

Hmm,

in the "Darth Plagueis"-novel it is stated that there were male twins born and one of that was known to the nightsisters and the other one wasn't known yet thus Kycina handed him (Maul) over to Darth Sidious. Thus Savage and Maul even could be twins (two-egged I guess) And Feral was maybe from another father then. I also read the story that the mate is killed when he became father of a son. Thus I guess brother Viscus didn't have sired sons yet. And he looks quite a bit young for being that. So either the Nighsister concealed the origin of the father when she had even three sons with him or they indeed were half-brothers with different fathers.


And when it really becomes true or will be once revealed by Dave Feloni that Ventress and Savage were mates for a while, then it could be likely that she gave birth to a son between "Monster" and "Revenge" starting to get rid of him while trying to get bounty for his head. What a practical and "elegant" solution.

Actually when I see how Savage speaks of Ventress with this contempt in his voice "witch" in "Revenge" while Ventress doesn't seem to respect the nightbrothers at all and at least Savage, I have the feeling that the gender-relationships in Dathomir, at least between Nightbrothers and -sisters are a kind of spoiled and tainted. And there seem to be always tries of frustrated nightsisters to escape or to organize escape to some infants from this monotonous Dathomir family-life, giving the children away like Ventress and Maul. And I can't imagine that Maul, when surviving "Son of Dathomir" would go back with Talzin to Dathomir staying there as a mere nightbrother.

 

Darth Plagueis isn't canon anymore, sadly.

 

I think it'd be more accurate to say the canon status of Darth Plagueis' back-story is back to up-in-the-air. He gets mentioned in Ep. III so he's canon regardless.

 

Really everything of that novel? Maybe Maul's mother even gave birth to a triplet?

 

Yeah that's what I meant. Well, at least we have confirmation the character actually existed, thanks to the Sidious slideshow on Starwars.com:

 

Just to mention that there is also such a duelality between the pair of sisters Satine/Bo Katan and the pair of brothers Maul/Savage. Bo Katan is questioning nearly always what Maul proposes to the Death Watch and to Pre Vizsla as it’s leader and in revenge she is being force-choked by Maul, she replies with stabbing him with her blaster, while Vizsla is pulling back Mauls head by grabbing his horns while they arrest the brothers temporarily.

While the Relationship Satine/Savage isn’t palpable at the first glance. But while at first sneaking around the cell of Satine making this intimidating pose with his right arm stretched out and put against the glass while looking challenging at her, he is finishing his intimidation of her taking her away from Kenobi on his giant shoulders back to his brother’s palace. And if you watch the attires of Savage and Satine closely you may spot that the collars of both are nearly the same stiff with that sparing under the chin and Satine has on her shoulders also this three bows resembling in form and order the shoulder-armor of Savage.

 

Savage is OP thanks to that witchcraft magic in him.

 

When I think of the Episode "Revenge" in Season 4 sometimes I wonder what Ventress would have done when she have had been alone there with Savage and without Maul or/and Kenobi being around. Did she really think she can just enter the spaceship and overwhelm Savage there to take him to the republic to gain the reward of 1 Mio. credits for his head/body?

Has she really such a hubris? She should have known the powers of Savage from "Witches of the mist" already. Of course only if she doesn't consider herself still equal to Dooku after that fight. Her mission to impress Katuunko of Toydaria was also a desaster compared with Savage's at least half success there. But still Savage hadn't a fight with Yoda at Toydaria. That would have been interesting in comparision to the Ventress-Yoda-fight in front of Katuunko before. So he had to fight with Anakin and Obi-Wan only.

Or did she have in "Revenge" just a spontaneous sentimental yearning for Savage Opress at that bar, which she didn't like to reveal to her bounty-hunter-colleages?

 

Now that's something I hadn't thought of. Maybe Ventress expected to find Savage alone and wanted to see her former servant again and see if he was still an animal...which Ventress seemed to like .

 

Of course she expected to find Savage alone there. And I guess it was surely not her initial desire to end up with chaste Obi-Wan instead of re-unite with animalish Opress. And Yoda took a victory once more for his prophecy did come true.

 

Has anybody seen the New Yoda-Chronicle-Episode "Attack of the Jedi" from 2013? You can see a Savage Opress there in Dooku's Sith-Academy, which I also had im mind in one of my humorous dreams. If somebody has seen it: May somebody tell me what Savage says to Jek14 near the end?
Here the link to the video:


Then I found a really beautiful fanfic about Maul and Savage, who are here completely different than they used to be in TCW. You have a totally bad and unleashed Savage Opress here (just for everyone who thinks he can't be more unleashed than in TCW )
Here is a link to the story:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8065092/1/Star-Wars-Darth-Maul-Sons-of-Dathomir

 

I have seen in "Lawless" that the armor of Savage suddenly disappeared after his dead. So it was also only witchcraft. Somebody (I think it was Vorax) wrote that it took many Nightsisters to give their powers to enable Savage to grow that big and mighty and to have this armor. And when they disappeared by the hand of Grievous, Talzin was left alone with Maul to sacrifice some of her powers and her body to restore him.

In the book of Jason Fry it is written that Savage is laying there on the ground in his now to big armor when Maul is rushing towards him. But I think this is contradicting with the TCW-episode "Lawless". Like some other things.

I'm still not sure if Savage's confession in his last moments of life to his brother really was a redemption that he regrets what he has done as a created "monster" or if it is just a confession of a felt everlasting weakness, that he needed borrowed witch-power to hold pace with his naturally born and early-educated Sith-Lord-Brother. That he was not able to kill Dooku and failed to help Ventress in her fight against Dooku. That he was doubting several times that his brother would be successful. That he is not able to help his brother anymore against his former master. Or did he mean both? A redemption and a confession of failure?

Like this ambigue words of him in "Sith-Hunters", when Maul told him "A sith can do more than destroy." and Savage replied "Maybe he shouldn't?"

 

I feel that Savage was a blunt instrument for destruction - a beast. Maul is cunning and wants to inflict pain on his enemies - we saw this when he killed Satine and left Obi-wan to languish. When Savage met his end, I think his words were a confession of failure, but also a redemption - it was the Nightsisters that made him into a monster, it wasn't his nature. He had compassion for Feral before the transformation, they stripped that away from him.