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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Gruntz, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Apparently the Moff Council is canon, I did'nt realize that.

    I wonder how it works; in Legends I always got the sense that it was formed after the senate was dissolved as a de facto replacement body, but in canon it was created in 14 BBY - I'm thinking it was the House of Lords to the Senate's parliament, with the Imperial Ruling Council operating in a manner similer to Mussolini's "Facist Grand Council"
     
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  2. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yessss. It's very bicameral.
     
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  3. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    With the only source supporting this being the DeAgostini Star Wars Encyclopedia, I'd be wary of assuming this is "correct" until confirmed by a better source. DeAgostini publications are notorious for freely mixing canon and Legends material, and unfortunately Wookieepedia tends to lump the entirety under "canon" with no effort to make the distinction.
     
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  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Wasn’t the source the Palpatine article?
     
  5. Only the most High Ranked Moffs in the Empire knows that Palpatine is a Sith, that he created the Clone Wars, that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker i also believe the Inquisitors in Legends and Disney Canon knows that Palpatine and Darth Vader are Sith
     
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  6. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah. The distinctions are really troubling.
     
  7. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well, for what it's worth the wook page is indicates the information would be a part of canon, since A) it says the council was formed after the events of Tarkin and B) it's from an article that calls Palpatine "Sheev"
     
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  8. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    The reference to Dodd Rancit and the events of Tarkin are notably specific to canon, I'll give it that. And, looking at the Wook article further, the Legends version of the Moff Council was apparently a much later thing (12 ABY versus 14 BBY), which also speaks against this reference being the sort of Legends/canon mix-and-match DeAgostini is known for. So I guess in the end the source for this lore is a bit of a puzzle. Did the writer just sort of toss it in there, or is there a canon source that the Wook missed?

    Another reason I remain somewhat wary of DeAgostini is that there is uncertainty as to whether their work is reviewed by the Story Group. Even something that isn't an outright Legends pull might not have been vetted as other canon material is. So in the end I guess I'm not too sure what to make of this. It's certainly great headcanon material, and it's probably harmless if you want to assume canonicity based on the Encyclopedia, but for me personally I'd still want to see a stronger source before saying "yeah, that's definitely canon."
     
  9. GrandMoffTrachta

    GrandMoffTrachta Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Otherspace is just a pocket galaxy, possibly created by the Celestials. OtherSpace II: Invasion, even refers to Otherspace as a “galaxy decimated by [the Charon’s] destructive jihad.”
     
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  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    A satellite galaxy, maybe?
     
  11. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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    a anti force you may say lol
     
  12. Montross is descendant of Canderous Ordo
     
  13. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Actually, there is something to that.

    Hyperspace is a dimension, yet some philosophised in canon and Legends that Hyperspace is the realm of the Force, that the World between Worlds, Chainworlds Theorem, Vergence Scatter, etc. all is Hyperspace aka the Force. Now some speculated if the Force is only existant in the GFFA, but E.T. runs counter to that showing E.T. using it on Earth in another galaxy, ours.
    Otherspace aka Anti-Force may thus be a galaxy, yet not an actual satellite of the GFFA. Maybe it is one that is trapped in a rift, a pocket space. But wouldn't it then be a part of the Force if it originated there? What if it is, given its strangeness, in a pocket of space that is not originating in or near the GFFA but another paralell dimension or realm that is accessible through hyperspace. Kinda if the GFFA is this side of hyperspace, Otherspace is on the other side of it, another paralell layer. A dark galaxy. Its not exactly dark matter or antimatter but, a place that you can reach through hyperspace yet exiting on its wrong end, not ours/the GFFAs.
     
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  14. In Legends Sate Pestage Replaced Mas Ameda as Palpatine Second Hand in the Empire Mas Ameda still worked for the Empire but not in Public Eye

    Jerec the Inquisitor lied he is not a Miraluka he said he was a Miraluka because his Ego cant tolerate if he said he became Blind
     
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  15. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This guy is Mulchive Wermis

    If it's been published, then surely it's been reviewed by the story group, no?

    This seems pretty clear-cut to me; their reference books are canon, but (like a lot of other supplementery) re-canonize some Legends materials. No biggy
     
  16. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    After Dark Empire, Luke got away with his crimes as a Sith Lord because everyone thought it wasn't Luke but another Luuke as in the Zahn books. They went with that lie and lived happily ever after never talking about it to not have it all crumble down and get courtmartialed after all!
    Those who knew, well, they kept quiet and were close friends of the SkySolos.
    Imperials who knew might have tried to counter that lie and spill the beans but either lacked proof, or were silenced by the SkySolo mafia friends and agents.
     
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  17. Jedi having Relationships with other Jedi is not well seen in the Jedi Order because the Jedi are like Brothers and Sisters they are a Family but is allowed its more common for the Jedi to have Relationships with People outside the Jedi Order Jedi having Relationships was a Open Secret in the Jedi Order but the Jedi Masters Teach to their Padawans in never Fall in Love and if its possible never having Relationships some Jedi like Yoda were Celibates all their Lifes most Sith are not different from the Jedi they also dont Fall in Love because they are more Selfish only in Luke Jedi Order from Legends was Ok with Jedi Marrying and Falling in Love

    Yoda, Mace and Obi Wan knows that Anakin Married Padme since AOTC Anakin is a fool if he believed they dont know
     
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  18. Morgoth333

    Morgoth333 Jedi Padawan

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    Mon Mothma did not actually decrease the size of the New Republic's Navy by 90%. This is merely propaganda to hide how small and weak the New Republic's Navy is by the time of the Aftermath trilogy. The ships that constitute that remaining 10% is how much the New Republic had to begin with when Mon Mothma declared that she will be downsizing the New Republic Navy. The 90% that were supposedly taken out of service is in truth how much of their navy was lost at the Battle of Endor and the battles leading up to Jakku. The rest of the galaxy doesn't know this however, so to hide this fact she and the rest of the New Republic leadership came up with the story that the missing 90% of their fleet was simply taken out of service for peacetime.

    It's all a clever ruse to hide their true strength, more specifically lack thereof. If the New Republic's enemies knew how small their forces really were they would not hesitate to attack, but the mere idea that the New Republic "potentially" has a bunch of ships laying around somewhere (the 90% that were supposedly taken out of service) that could be brought back into service at any moment to bolster their forces should war break out makes them think twice. It's a scare tactic. It also serves to boost the morale of the New Republic citizens if they believe that the naval forces of their government are much larger and stronger than they actually are, when the reality is that those forces would not be able to protect them if another conflict were to break out, because they don't exist. If the remaining Imperials ever realized the truth, the New Republic would be screwed.

    But if the New Republic is so short on ships, why don't they just use captured Imperial Star Destroyers to bolster their fleet you might ask? Star Destroyers require massive amounts of people in order to operate at full capacity, manpower which the New Republic does not have. That's how small their forces are right now. Since they don't have the manpower and personnel to use the Star Destroyers themselves, the New Republic decided the best course of action would be to dismantle or destroy them rather than allow them to fall back into the hands of the Empire or other rouge elements who could use them against them, while the public story they tell the rest of the galaxy is that they simply refuse to use these former symbols of terror. The truth is they simply can't afford to due to lack of resources and manpower, but if they did have the resources and manpower to crew them they would absolutely make use of them.

    So far only one Imperial has been smart enough to deduce the truth and see right through the New Republic's ruse, and that is Thrawn. Knowing that the New Republic does not actually have 90% of its fleet laying around somewhere ready to serve as potential reinforcements, and that what they have currently is all they've got, this has emboldened him to start his campaign against the New Republic, knowing how much his forces would vastly outnumber them, if he can get the other Imperial warlords to stop fighting and join their forces with his.
     
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  19. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Barriss had a vision of the Jedi Temple becoming the Imperial Palace and Jedi becoming Inquisitors and she bombed the Jedi Temple in hopes of preventing that.
     
  20. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    It's not quite this easy, unfortunately. There are examples of material that has been reviewed by Story Group and published, but isn't canon (FFG books) as well as "canon" reference books that were apparently not reviewed by Story Group at all (the original edition of Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, which also included some Legends material that was excised from the second edition). DeAgostini material has historically fallen into the second category.

    Really not trying to be dogmatic or contrary here; just saying that caution is warranted until there's some sort of clarification from LFL or Story Group on how the canonicity of these publications works. Given Story Group's extreme reluctance to offer such clarifications in the canon era, unfortunately I feel like we may be waiting a while.
     
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  21. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    @Morgoth333 why would they need this ruse, when their military downsized by 90 percent is still more powerful then the most powerful Imperial remnant is after it's undergone a prolonged military buildup?

    Hmm. Fair enough. I guess someone could always tweet the question at Matt Martin or something and hope he bites. And wookieepedia's not the best judge of canon all the time (for instance, not treating the first seven movie novelizations as canon )

    (out of curosity, has anyone here read the article in question? Does it contain anything that would indicate it specifically is canonically unreliable?)

    Obi-Wan definently, and I think TCW makes it pretty clear the other two do as well (don't they share a "who does this guy think he's fooling?" glance in the Clovis arc?).

    Pretty sure Ashoka must have figured it out by the end as well, given how close to both Anakin and Padme she was.
     
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  22. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    There's a Forces of Destiny episode which has Ashoka find out.
     
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  23. Anakin was important for Yoda, Mace and Obi Wan im sure they knew everything about Anakin Yoda was 900 Year Old im sure he knew when Padawans or Jedi Knights lie about not having Romances
     
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  24. Morgoth333

    Morgoth333 Jedi Padawan

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    It's bigger and more powerful than a Imperial Remnant, however, there is not just one Imperial Remnant, there are multiple. That remaining 10% of the New Republic's fleet is indeed strong enough to take on any single Imperial Remnant by itself. The problem is if multiple Imperial Remnants were to band together and combine their forces to attack the New Republic. Then it becomes an issue because the Imperials forces would vastly outnumber them.

    The Imperial Remnants are all too busy fighting each other or caring about their own interests to realize they would utterly demolish the New Republic if they just worked together, but just in case any of them do consider the idea of working together, the ruse would give them pause and make them potentially reject the idea, thinking "What's the point? Even if we did work together it still wouldn't matter because they've still got more ships somewhere they can use against us." and then they fall right back into fighting each other. That's usually as far as most of those discussions go. Many Imperials have likely suggested the idea of working together before, but Thrawn is the first Imperial to both suggest the idea of working together, and realize the New Republic's bluff.
     
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  25. Palpatine was toying with Galen Marek in TFU 1 Dark Empire Palpatine could defeat Galen Marek easy but Galen truly defeat Vader thanks to his Force Powers in TFU 1 and TFU 2

    The Galen Marek Clone dont Died he just faked his Death and Retired from being a Jedi and lived a Normal life just like Quinlan Vos and Dass Jennir did i believe Legends Luke met Galen at some point maybe Legends Leia talked about Galen to Luke
     
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