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Interesting fix. While a Sequel Trilogy in that timespot fits better than before or around Dark Nest as others proposed, I am a still not convinced Ben Skywalker turning dark fits the bill. Especially given that would ruin his killing Han who is not the father in that scenario.
For such a trilogy to have the same effect on Legends as it has on canon we need to switch around some characters to keep the emotional ties aligned. Rather have him kill Luke and replace Luke on Crait with someone else projecting. Jaina perhaps, as Sword of the Jedi last stand sacrificing herself to exhaustion. Jaina and her generation are way older than Ben is and fit that role too.
Next the exile to Tython thus would not be Luke but someone else. Who could Ben have failed? Likewise Leia and Han have no parenting role then in relation to him, and with Mara already dead and him killing Luke we are lacking some more relationship ties for Ben to go on.
Now, who is Rey to Ben Skywalker then? As per your theory, a nobody? Related? A kid of the clones from Crosscurrent/Riptide duology? The kid of Luuke from the Zahn trilogy and a Mara clone? Or else?


Thus lets move the trilogy even further on the timeline so that Ben does not fall but take Lukes role. The new Kylo Ren fails Ben, Ben goes to exile and projects to Crait and dies. What if the new Kylo Ren is one of Jaina's kids that were trained by Ben? This puts her into the Leia role then and she is a fighter fit for a Resistance especially if her kid blows up Bastion via Starkiller Base instead of the Hosnian system. The new Kylo could then kill Jag instead of Han and Rey would be a Shadow Child hidden away. A sibling to Kylo that will inherit the Imperial throne after the trilogy is over.
Snokes elite guards may be Imperial Knights coopted by Snoke for his purposes and continued later by the Felpire. The First Order as the Empire of the Hand attacking the Imperial Remnant lead by Snoke/Cronal fits too. And I am aware that I kept the New Republic/Galactic Alliance out of this so far. The Sequel Trilogy has a more small scale focus and personal stakes more so than galaxy spanning wars of the Prequels or NJO and fits much better in such a confined scenario I think. It can still grow to a galaxywide conflict with the Republic intervening on the Felpires behalf or also beheaded by Starkillerbase firing a second shot if one wants to go that far.

I think that'd fit much better than your Ben scenario. Sorry

 

I've said multiple times I prefer a Darth Jaina theory too, but with what I proposed you can redub the entire sequel trilogy to make it EU compliant, something Darth Jaina does not allow. Or you can just rewrite the word balloons of the comic adaptations.

 

Azrakel is actually Kajin Savaros from the Coruscant Nights books. After being transported from Coruscant into safe hands, he was found by the Inquisitors anyway and delivered to Palpatine, who turned him into Azrakel.

 

Another option is that Jacen Solo survived the Sword of the Jedi....JUST LIKE THE SUPERVILLAIN HE IS!

 

Or the real Jacen did return from his journey to discover what a clone of his had done in his absence. He tries to reconcile with his family but Luke´s desire for vengance over Mara eventually became so strong he didn´t differentiate anymore and tried to murder Jacen in his sleep?

 

That would mean Jacen was corrupted TWICE.



If we're going crazy with time, maybe Jacen came back and yo-yoed.

 

New Clone Wars Headcanon

Before the Battle of Coruscant Count Dooku essentially gave the Saruman speech from Two Towers to rally the Separatist forces before they attacked.

"There will be no dawn...For Clones" ;p

 

I get Stargate vibes here with one character ascending to a higher plane and later returning because mortal life is more fun!

Jacen survived the killing blow to the heart for he no longer had one? Or he prepared for the inevitable and had a second heart installed elsewhere in his body? He used the Force like Darth Sion to stay alive and keep the blood flowing despite being a heartless Sith that still loves them all?

Perfect fit! Cue Sequel Trilogy and evil Luke on remorse train ending with Jacen flowwalking to do it all again but different... but when he tries to change one pivotal moment, he slips betrayed by his cloak and changes more than he wished for... cue new canon timeline!

Or he just pretended he was "back" and it was all part of his plan... until figured out. Just look at how often Loki is a villain, then back to buddy comedy, then villain, then he can't help it, villain, buddy, villain...

In a universe that learned ROTJs message of forgiving and redeeming, you get people like Loki aplenty!

 

No, no, you see in Legends there's a Force Power called Doppelganger that Luke Skywalker used in Dark Empire and maybe the Fallasanai also possessed. Jacen Solo surely learned how to create a doppelganger that possessed roughly half his power as a Sith Lord/Jedi/Dark Side Wizard. Jaina managed to kill the doppelganger while Jacen, himself, slithered away.

Jacen Solo then attempted to deal with the threat of Abeloth, who he realized was the reason his daughter would be corrupted, but was ensnared in the World Between Worlds. He assumed it was actually Chaos and encountered Luke as well as Ben there.

After Abeloth was defeated, the youthful looking Jacen appealed to Luke Skywalker to take him back but Luke struggled to forgive the murderer of his wife even if it was his nephew. He briefly considered killing Jacen when he felt his former apprentice backsliding. This resulted in a self-fulfilling prophecy where Jacen failed his redemption and fled to the Hand of Thrawn/Contingency in the First Order where he became ensnared by Dark Side Adept Snoke who reminded him of Vergere.

All of which before was thirty.

This goes a long way to explaining Luke's disillusionment as his attempts to show mercy to Jacen have backfired horribly as well as been much more personally horrible.

Is Jacen's attraction to Rey creepy given how much she resembles his sister? Maybe. But it's a Skywalker thing. However, if they DO get together, then almost certainly their grandchild would be Ania Solo.

He decided he would embrace his grandfather's legacy to bring order to the galaxy once again, Thus changing his name to Kylo Ren. Why was he called Ben Solo? Well, that was an error done in the movie adaptation by Jar Jar Abrams, human director named after the Battle of Naboo hero.

 

Dooku and Ventress had a romantic relationship

 

Doppelganger, how could I forget that trick! Nice!!!

Truth be told, Jacen always liked his sister or rather girls like her, the practical non girlie type.

And here I thought Ben Solo is due to gffa historians descended from Voren Naal 1000 ABY getting history wrong and conflating Ben Skywalker and Jacen Solo into Ben Solo... well even a wotc rpg online article once called Jacen actually and literally JACEN SKYWALKER! So Ben Solo is only continuing that trend

And it is creepy... Jacen Solo is responsible for EVERY Skysolo lineage in Legacy! With Tenel Ka he had Allana, with your Rey he lead to Ania Solo and with Wyn Fel that admired him too he might have taken over the Felpire as well if Jag and Jainas kids did not keep the throne and Wynssa had to take it. And we still did not account for anybody that Tahiri and Jacen or Jacen and others might have added to the story. It's like Jango, Boba and all the clone lineages all over again!


So who are Rey's parents/grandparents in your scenario?

I present you, Rey as twin sister to Ken Palpatine, separated at birth raised in different worlds. Palpatine spread his descendants Skywalker style and mirrored the Choosen One trick for his legacy. If Skywalkers can do it, so can he... seems to be his motto.

 

There was a period in Galactic history between 45-75 ABY where the Dark Falls had risen to power and through a media campaign funded by benefactors in the unknown regions, successfully erased a good portion of history and instituted what they referred to as a “canon” chronicling a new history starting with Operation Cinder and ending with the invasion of the First Order. Bib Fortuna, repentant b’omarr monk, was one of the few who was able to preserve pre-Dark Falls history and undid their damage by the time the Fel Empire has risen to power.

 

Bah, it was flow-walking creating an alternate timeline.

 

One day it will be revealed that Force Ghosts are actually how Flowwalkers appear to residents of that timelinespot that is visited. Whenever a Flowwalker visits the past, he is masked by the Force with a familiar image of a person the watched person knew. Whatever he may be saying will likewise be twisted into words fitting for the recepient via the Force. Timelineselfpreservation which the Flowwalker may never even notice. Only in rare cases did they appear as themselves if the watched person knew them. As with Jacen and Raynar. Or Tahiri and Anakin.

 

I love it! That's not far off from my original pitch for Bib Fortuna and the Rise of the Dark Falls: a comedic post-modern take on the malleability of societal perceptions of truth and reality, with a subtextual critique of the superficiality and insularity of pop culture fandom. The final product was somewhat different, obviously, but that's what happens when editors are involved.

No, that's ridiculous.

 

Canon Old Republic Headcanon.

Unlike in Legends the Sith never "vanished" until 1000 BBY NuCanon Russan.

They merely waxed and wained in power, sometimes forming large empires (Canon wise we know they conquered Coruscant at least twice) other times just being darksiders running around doing bad things ala Lord Momin.

Perhaps to use a historic analogy they were like the Germanic Tribes that the Romans had to deal with throughout their long history.

 

Following up on your idea, we know what ultimately became of the Roman Empire and the northern parts of Europe with these tribes, lets do the same in the gffa:

They pulled a trick and renamed themselves Paecian Empire History forgot of their Sith origins and believed they are truly a new beginning until the Paecian Empire too vanished over time or got defeated.




PS: The Shadow Capital Concept:

With the enemy always attempting to strike the captial and behead their foes... why didn't any government try to use any defense concept to thwart such plans or render them ineffective? Decentralisation is one way, another though might be a shadow capital. On cruisers the same applies with a battle bridge or second bridge hidden deep inside it as support and continuing once the main bridge fell.

Have all records instantly mirrored to the shadow capital via holonet and special drones for nondigital records and keep the shadow capital hidden from public eye or knowledge, that way even if Coruscant is taken, and a major loss, it means in no way beheading the government. In a way Palpatine used this in his Empire when he had Byss in the Deep Core as his shadow capital.

With Bastion, a title for the capital that might be moving to different planets in the later Imperial Remnant, I assume Byss was the first true Bastion. Palpatine even kept clone data of all vital government officials and his court I bet to start over where they left of should they die with Coruscant. See Mount Tantiss or Bevel Lemelisks cloning as example. Also, consciously or subconsciously they underwent regular, maybe daily copying of memories and brain data for flashing those on the clones if need be. Maybe built into their beds during sleep? Either done in secret or if they knew and willingly agreed, they were promised immortality through this method?

Chiss have a shadow child system to preserve families and houses, which the Fel family adopted into the later Imperial Remnant for themselves at least. Other such practices may have inspired Palpatine to do the same once he learned of Thrawn about Chiss practises. Shadow Government, Shadow Empire, Shadow Capital, Shadow Child of the Emperor?

Given Palpatine is a planer with layered plans, and not one side has the complete picture of what is going on but himself, he always has groups working together with different orders each as failsafes and security measures should one fail or deviate the other has orders to take them out and take over. So his contingency in canon too relied on at least 2 known layers, Jax purges and Yupe Tashus seeding the youth with dark side lore, objects, masks. There were more layers you can bet, like the Unknown Regions elements awaiting the Jakku survivors, even more hidden factions as per Episode IX or future Centrists remaining in the galaxy at large with subversion missions as well as troublemaking remnants as the factions in the Mandalorian tv show.

Always two there are... the Rule of Two applied not only to Sith and Apprentices, with one to go public like Maul in TPM and one to remain hidden like Sidious, when Dooku went public etc. too mirrors the above strategem and the rule of two can apply to much more.

The Sequels always felt like inspired amongst other things heavily by medieval Arthurian myth as well as Lord of the Rings too. Snoke as Saruman with Centrists an ally turned enemy. Kinda a two towers situation if in IX the true enemy arises and Mordor/Unknown Regions finally attack. In a way Kylo Ren is a corrupted Knight/King that might be redeemed (like the King of Rohan had been) and returns to fight for the good. Also paralells to the ringwraiths here. If IX delivers an army of Force Ghosts it truly is LOTR: Return of the King. Though Luke already played Gandalf the White at Crait and did not bring an army with him, we had Poe and Finn do their last stand riding out of the fort with the speeders.

 

@ColeFardreamer

That's why Palpatine in my mind is the dragon! (And I wish would turn into a dragon in Ep 9 but that's another story ;p)

 

Hmm, you do make a point about Jacen's tastes in women.

Tenel Ka-a queen but also a warrior, Danni Quee-a scientist, Tahiri-former Tusken, half Vong, very active physically.

Maybe that is a consequence of being around practical, active women, and that is what he is attracted to, women who are like his mother and sister, I'm sure Freud would have quite a bit to say about that.

 

Actually that is true for a lot of people in the GFFA and not just Jacen. Most non stereotypical female characters created actually started a new stereotype by all trying to not fall into the classic outdated female stereotype. Same accounts for Han Solo's taste, or others. Not everyone is a traditional Owen and Beru Lars couple with divided roles and some would even disagree and wish for a story of Beru's younger days in action kickboxing Tuskens out of the farm

 

I was going to say, are there any "girlie girls" in the GFFA?

Like, I seriously can't think of any.

I don't mean not feminine, but fitting the archetype of not doing physical labor, or being actively involved in combat and other such "masculine" affairs?

 

Well, you got girlie boys on Hapes... and a couple of Zeltrons of undefined gender that may count.

 

Shmi Skywalker seems to be doing the traditional housemom thing, not that there's anything wrong with that. Same as Beru.

 

Another headcanon.

Betrayal/LOTF related

Nelani Dinn was seriously considered for Sith apprenticehip if one reads her conversation with Vectivus' alleged phantom closely. It was clear he was interested in getting her to consider his point of view, while Lumiya was talking IIRC to Jacen.

Vectivus last words, were basically sighing and writing her off "Okay, stay safe, and don't put your nose where it doesn't belong".

I'm not sure if Vectivus was planning on that, or if Vectivus was simply a phantom casted by Lumiya.

But it seems sensible to me, that Nelani Dinn wasn't just seen as a potential sacrifice on Jacen's part, but was offered Sith apprenticeship herself. When she rebuffed any effort, is when they(or she) decided to get rid of her,

@Sinrebirth thoughts on the above?

 

Mon Mothma? Or are we considering politics a traditionally "masculine" affair?