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Discussion Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy Star Wars Movie - NOT FILMING April 7th, 2024 (Blame Fredrik!)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by chris hayes, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I still feel like the Character could carry a solo film... but it would have to be a highly ambitious and somewhat contentious one looking to “make up” for lost potential in the ST and willing to embrace some meta-commentary on a narrative level to “fuel” it, neither of which are things Disney-era LFL has been keen on for either solo films (Solo itself being a very “safe” film) or on anything involving the ST post-TLJ.

    If Han going on a “safe” adventure isn’t blockbuster worthy, than probably neither is Rey - or anyone else, really, save *maybe* Luke if you do enough greatest hits. A “safe” Kylo film, a “safe” Finn film, a “safe” Leia film, a “safe” Lando film... none of those sr immediately big budget blockbuster ideas by themselves. You want ambition that’s likely bigger than any one film.

    A trilogy naturally incorporates big ambitious ideas.
    Have to disagree - she has as much “it” factor as any other modern Hollywood Star. It’s just that modern Hollywood stars are not what they once were... and that LFL and Disney seemed flabbergasted and weirdly resistant to the idea that the two main leads of TFA might be massive hits when they expected Adam Driver to be it instead.

    The next film was clearly written with the expectation that it would be better to use the “lesser” character and actor to proper up the “greater” character and actor - which was awkward, since Rey (and Finn) had massively outperformed expectations, and Rey herself had been far more central to film discussions and speculation than Kylo. TLJ is clearly written by someone thinking that “What happened to Ben?” was going to be a bigger intrigue than “Who are Rey’s parents?”, and some of that dissonance likely comes from not realizing that if the main character is sympathetic, charismatic, and functional, of course her mystery box is going to be more intriguing.

    Ridley and Boyega being young and so early in their careers compared to Driver also played a part to; Boyega only had a cult hit under this belt, this was Ridley’s first major role, both were in their early 20s, and Driver was already into his 30’s and a darling “complex character” of a premium cable show.

    Had they actually recognized that all 3 actors were poised to explode, and not just Driver, they would have used their charisma and star power, instead of neglecting or denying it’s existence.
     
  2. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    The casting of Ridley, Boyega, Issac and Driver was absolutely the best thing about TFA and the ST generally (and the design of BB8). They are exactly the kind of actors whom should be employed to star in a Star Wars film. That they were let down by the ST, IMO, is a real shame… but I hope it doesn’t lead to the kind of ‘star’ casting being rumoured. That is so not Star Wars.
     
  3. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    What, you don't want to see a GFFA buddy cop movie starring Will Smith and Martin Lawrence opposite Angelina Jolie and Tom Cruise as a weird couple of spice lords?
     
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  4. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You've just described my nightmare.
     
  5. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Bad Boys: Coruscant
     
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  6. Sarge

    Sarge 3x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Don't post that in public! LFL might read it! [face_shame_on_you]
     
  7. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Rebel Force Radio is also hearing that the new screenwriter is Lawrence Kasdan.
     
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  8. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Force, have mercy.
     
  9. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Somehow, Kasdan returned.
     
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  10. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe he still got it. Maybe he has lost it. We will see.

    Hardly a lot of screenwriting talents around sadly. Most are hacks or are just doing boring AI treatments offers of dead franchises. When was that last time the UK did offer a new hot writer? Steve McQueen? He is not doing Star Wars anyway. And Hollywood?

    I remember these rumours early on, that Lindelofs script was loosely based on the Japanese anime Your Name. And Yamazaki who did Godzilla Minus One, wants to do Star Wars. So much talent and originality if you look to Asia these days. Chinoy is of course from Pakistan, but as far as i understand, she does not write herself.
     
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  11. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    Idk, throwing out Lawrence Kasdan's name to pen a SW film is such a "cold reading" kind of prediction if you catch my drift.
     
  12. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Wouldnt be shocking if it happened
     
  13. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    I think he said he'd only return if he could do another Solo sequel or something. He seems pretty one-note at this point. Interesting in a very small slice of the SW brand and not much else.

    While he gets points for coming up with Finn's stormtrooper defects idea (which almost had no barring on his actual personality), he's also the one who wanted the main characters isolated and alone, and Han and Leia separated because he never really liked that romance. Yeahhhhhh.
     
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  14. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But, he was also the guy who introduced the romance in its time, right? Or was it Leigh Brackets touch? You maybe get more cynical with those things as you get older ( relationships, marriage) but i always thought that the main reason for a Leia/ Han break up, was due to their sons fall to the dark side. And then, with the introduction of Kylo Ren in TFA, its technically more interesting to keeping them apart. And then, both Abrams and Ford wants Solo to be killed anyway….well. More cooks - more mess they say.
     
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  15. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    That's the in-story reasoning. The written reason is Kasdan was coming up with story idea (some even on set as they shot the movie) and never liked that romance (apparently) and was determined to end it. Since his deal for writing TFA also included writing SOLO, and that film introduces Han's real love of his life Qira ... it seems he had a point to make. I'm not sure who invented the romance to begin with (I would assume Lucas) but I think I've read over the years that Kasdan never liked it. He also didn't like that Han survived, and that Luke didn't become the Emperor after defeating Vader. He wanted a very dark ending and Lucas was like "dude this isa space fairy tale and I want a happy ending".
     
  16. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kinberg and Kasdan were both key in shaping the ST, so it’s interesting that they’re both coming back for post-ST content now.
     
  17. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Find it hard to believe that last stuff with Luke being the Emperor though. But, in general, Kasdan and Lucas has both collaborated a few times over a script. Including Ford. His Indiana Jones and Marion romance might have been further shaped by Kasdan after Lucas story idea/ treatment. So maybe he has a thing or two for the «first love is the strongest love idea». I can see though, that he ( Kasdan) could have put his heart in the love affair between Han and Qira in Solo. So that might be a dumb Hollywood screenwriter catfight over power etc.
     
  18. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I get the sense he was a bit bitter over Solo not doing very well. He clearly wanted to do a Solo sequel. Perhaps even hoping he could direct it as he did talk about wanting to do more direct. But this was in 2019.

    He could have changed his mind or been convinced to come back by Disney. He is clearly a screenwriting they have had a good relationship with when it comes to getting scripts done. Especially when you remember Solo was changed during production. So Kasdan had to be willing to adjust a script in the time needed without arguements.
     
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  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    All these are reasons I don’t want Kasdan back. I’m afraid he would have Rey communicating with Kylo’s Force ghost about how sorry she is that he had such “horrible” parents, or she would actually meet someone she would have a chance at a healthy romance with, or reconnect with Finn, but the healthy romance would not be allowed because her “first love” was Kylo.

    Qira was a terrible character who sold her soul, if she had one, for fancy ****, and then used the lame excuse of “everyone serves someone”. Leia was so much better and I thought she and Han complemented each other really well after the initial relationship ground-staking in ANH and early ESB.

    Or we would get a story in which Luke was actually still alive but had joined the First Order. No thanks.
     
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  20. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I always though Disney interferred with the scripts from their bosses ( Not Lucasfilm), much more than we are supposed to know. You do not bite off the hand that feeds you though. So we are not likely to get the full truth, not even in Kathy Kennedys biography, in the future.

    @anakinfansince1983 Of course, 99% of Star Wars fans wanted to see Han and Leia in a healthy, good, romantic relationship. And staying together. But i can see the rational idea behind falling in love with a person that is not good for you, and who you can not forget. Its fiction. Not fan fiction.

    Edit: Which do not mean i approve a romance between Rey and Kylo being brought up again! Not a good idea.
     
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  21. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That was the original plan until JJ Abrams had Kinberg, Arndt and the rest of the story group removed. I remember there were rumors that this was done against Kathleen Kennedy’s wishes.
     
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  22. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Right, but I want some escapism in my fiction. If I wanted to watch people make dumb relationship decisions, I’d go people watch at a Waffle House.
     
  23. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Small, but Lethal star 6

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    I'd like it if Richard Gere and Julia Roberts are also getting their part. And Tom Hanks of course.
     
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  24. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sure. I dont want the social realism version of it either. I am all for escapism. Anyday. Anytime. Thats why i love Star Wars.

    But just seeing some people trashing Kasdan as a screenwriter, the guy who wrote maybe 3 of the best adventure films of all time, just makes me annoyd. Just because of one or two decisions that did go against their own preferences for some of the characters. Thats one of the main reasons i never go to the ST forum here, discussing with people ( not seen them in this forum though) who just repeating their endless rants about.."why Luke never had a family", "Rey should have been Lukes daughter", "Han and Leia" should never have broken up" etc. Its borderline fan fiction obsession when you worship very specific character development like that, and never try to see the whole picture. The other definition of fan fiction for me is when a script offers up totally ridiculous plot ideas and character twists that are not rational. TROS has some of these ingredients.

    I do understand though, the reason why some are sceptical for using Kasdan now. Its not like he has lost his touch, but if you really think the ST was a bit of "vanilla OT" version, then you want to add a new, and fresh voice to the franchise. Someone with new ideas, that also manages to keep it classy and timeless. Maybe he will just consult again. It seems likely the Chinoy script is totally in limbo. So he might just come in and start a dynamic conversation with a new young writer.
     
  25. Riv_Shiel

    Riv_Shiel Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kasdan co-wrote my two favorite Star Wars movies (and my favorite Indiana Jones movie). He also co-wrote my two least favorite Star Wars movies. I think it makes a big difference who he collaborates with - he needs the right balance.
     
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