Discussion Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy Star Wars Movie - NOT FILMING April 7th, 2024 (Blame Fredrik!)

I'm not writing these words.

 

«A writers room» is seldom used for feature films. Normally i would call it a bad sign for a movie. I guess we all dream of that auteur vision that clicks all the right ingrediens.

 

I think there is a difference in writing an idea of a movie and writing the actual movie.

 

And this is where any sequel to the ST (featuring those characters) is truly broken. No one will be happy with what's brought to the table. For example, will fans even consider a sequel where Finn isn't a Jedi (or hasn't even the capability to be one), something they can get behind? There's no God given reason why Finn should be a Jedi (based off the sequels). If Finn is a side character or doesn't even feature that strongly, does it lean into the notion that John Boyega was marginalised in the role? So now we're talking about a sequel, that in order for us to get behind, both Rey and Finn must feature prominently and adhere to the expectations of a segment of fandom rather than perhaps the wider audience (given where the ST took these characters)... I mean it's easier for the writers to lean into the Rey/Ben love thing right (?) as that was ultimately the direction of travel with the ST, not Rey/Finn... and I state that as someone who'd have preferred a stronger Rey/Finn dynamic with Finn as the prime Jedi... but hey, that's just my preference.

Ultimately, one can't really fix the fundamental issues with the ST by making a new film with the same characters. This issues are baked in. And the more threads that are pulled, the more it will kind of unravel before our eyes. All this speaks to the development hell in which this film is residing, as I guess the writers are all facing (and cognisant of) the same challenges in making this coherent and cohesive with what went before, whilst being 'new' and speaking to fans whom may or may not want the same things...

 

That’s why they really shouldn’t be trying to fix any of that though. They should probably just take Rey and run with her as the mentor, whilst making the new leads some of her students. This removes the need to focus on Rey’s relationships with other ST characters, and they can show up as supporting characters down the road.

There may be some consternation from fans initially, but I think if they actually nail the new leads, people will quickly be refocused on them. That’s the best way to move forward, I think.

 

Yes exactly.

Similar to the ST, I think the issue here is not the new leads per se, but the story/script. Similar to the ST, the problem wasn't the actors or characters, in and of themselves, but that they (DLF and the various writers) didn't seem to know, other than very broad strokes, what the story was or should be...

 

Am I the only who doesn't give a **** how many writers this movie has or has had?

 

Nope.

 

I just see it as part of Hollywood showbiz sometimes

 

‘There are more films not made than made”. Some films just never get to see the light of day… that’s all part of ‘Hollywood showbiz’. We shouldn’t be surprised if this film doesn’t come to fruition any time soon, it seems to have the hallmarks… that’s all really.

 

We dont know, we can only speculate. And with an actress already in the bag its as likely as Shawn Levys movie with Rian Gosling. James Mangold and Filoni's movie are even less likely.

 

I ultimately only care about the end product, but the revolving door could be signs of some issues - either they have unnecessarily told the trades every development in the production (and these writers are simply been given ‘stabs,’ and they’ll eventually circle back to one of them), or the writers simply aren’t living up to what LFL wants. It could end well, it could end badly. But it doesn’t exactly fill me with too much confidence.

 

It’s all speculation… but the point is that there’s enough evidence to suggest this film is, at best, problematic… A Rey film isn’t particularly a film that audiences want, nor (given Rey inclusion makes it a direct sequel to the sequels) is it an easy nut to crack. As Darth Philosopher pointed out above, if Rey is purely in a mentor, supporting character role, then yes it becomes a more straightforward venture. But given the writing/script issues with this film, it suggests that Rey’s role is probably at the heart of (or is reflective of) what they are struggling to get past… and I suspect that’s because they are conflicted over it being a direct sequel (which would have to contend with all the strands and baggage left by the ST) or whether it’s written more as a standalone where Rey is a supporting character to all new leading characters. With the best will in the world this, the film that comes chronologically after TROS, is probably the most difficult film to write… as there’s so much riding on it. It could effectively kill Star Wars much more than if Mando & Grogu doesn’t hit the mark etc. I suspect Kennedy and co are being (somewhat justifiably) very jittery about this one… and the problem is they have nailed their colours to the mast by announcing it far sooner than they should.

 

The only thing that's remotely interesting to discuss in this thread at the moment is what the movie could be about. Speculating on whether or not it will be made is boring and pointless.

I have spoken.


On that note: I definitely think there might be an element of "End the Jedi because Sith might happen" vs "We need the Jedi because Sith will happen", with the Jedi side being proven right in the end.

 

I think the difficulty with having no Sith, is perhaps taxing on the villain department with any future Jedi. Darksiders can only be so much of a threath without an army or religious group behind them. Any Darksiders not Sith, are like Bounty hunters, just a wild case.

 

I would say filoni’s is most likely just cause the mandoverse has huge loose ends it needs to tie up, with Thrawn and all.

 

I’m against bringing back the Sith, not because I don’t think there should not be any lightsaber wielding enemies for the Jedi, but because it cheapens and shallows the universe if every time they ‘return’ they’re just called Sith again.

Come up with a new Order of enemies, vary their philosophy ever so slightly, give them orange lightsabers, etc.

 

Yeah, when I say "Sith will happen", I really just mean bad stuff. Sith happens, as in **** happens

 

I remember fans complained about no training with Luke and Rey, fans said how is Snoke this powerfull. Any Darksiders who could match the jedi even Rey. If no Sith, must A either be a renegade jedi, B a trained darksider by a dark lord. I dont see any other villain. Jedi can handle anything else .

Or they go the evil alien invasion route. Like The Vong race from Legends or Grysk from Canon. But that probably suit more of a Trilogy. For one. Movie it must be simple with a good villain.

There is the rumor if The Mandalorian and Grogu flops, Filoni's movie could be a mini series on Disney plus. As unlikely as that sounds. And Filoni has never directed a movie. Even though he has guidance of Jon Favearu and Rian Johnson.

 

Filoni is, IMO, more qualified to make a Star Wars film than Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy… and if the Mando film flops then all bets are off regarding live action feature films.

 

I agree there Filoni is more qualified no argument there. Its why both got their movies. All bets are off if it flops and its why i hope its a big hit. I hope it reaches a billion. I always cheer for its success even if its nor the movie i Champion.

https://filmstories.co.uk/news/star-wars-george-nolfi-on-his-new-jedi-order-screenplay-exclusive/

“The way I approach it is, you look at what’s come before you, you look at the broad ideas of what they want to do,” Nolfi said. “Meaning: Lucasfilm, Disney, Sharmeen [Obaid-Chinoy], the director, and then you do what a writer does, and try to try and put beats of a story together. Try and imagine characters, and then you present that with an understanding that it needs to honour, obviously, a long, incredible tradition.”

Nolfi studied philosophy and politics before he became a screenwriter – subjects that might, we suggested, find their way into his Star Wars script.

“If you think about George Lucas, the six movies that he did, and the universe that he created, it’s actually very steeped in broad notions of politics,” Nolfi said. “It’s not talking about today, per se, but there’s the Empire’s Nazism slash Roman Empire. The democracy of the Roman Empire collapsing and becoming an empire and the perennial story of human beings organising themselves and against chaos, and then the tools that help human societies tamp down on chaos becomes oppression.

“So that is really very core to what I think George Lucas was trying to talk about. And one of the wonderful things about science fiction and Star Wars – which is more almost science fantasy or space opera – is that you can raise the deepest issues without it feeling like a philosophy class, or a political science class, or something I read in the newspaper today…

“It can be about real things, deep things.”

 

All good directors who are interested in doing Star Wars are qualified.

 

What are the thoughts of getting post ST Political movie. I can see this movie being very similar and political like The Phantom Menace. Get a villain like The Trade Federation

 

I'd love a political angle. Any politics in this one will likely center on the Jedi. Should they be allowed to exist within the borders of the new democracy? If so, should they be working for the government? Etc.

But if that's not the kind of plot they have in mind, then this New Jedi Order story might actually mirror the one from Legends and bring in the Vong. I wouldn't mind that. I mean, it probably wouldn't be quite the Yuuzhan Vong that we know, but something akin to them.
It could be really cool!

 

Since the first idea came up, as Kathleen Kennedy said, should the jedi still be around and whats the point in being for the future. And you got every politicians asking who needs these illegal aliens, lol. So i think it be like mix of Prequel politics in this new story. Thats the part that Daisy Ridley was surprised by the new bold take.