Discussion Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy Star Wars Movie - NOT FILMING April 7th, 2024 (Blame Fredrik!)

I hope whomever comes is able to create a great SW movie, that's for sure. It's just that recent experience and the names rumored to helm the new projects do not make me super confident. And the fact that LFL is rumored to be thinking about how the next generation of Jedi should be, worries me. I really cannot see a scenario in which the Story Group makes a fundamental change to the Jedi lore that actually improves what GL created. I could see them ruining it, actually.

IMO LFL should focus on making sure the story evolves, the movies do not center about the same old themes and situations, and they are able to bring to the table amazing looking worlds, ships and designs. But let's not change the core of SW.

Man, honestly, this must be how fake news start. What happened is that someone who worked on Vanity Fair and The Ringer (quite different currently from working for Variety) claimed to have heard one of the things LFL was debating internally is the non-attachment rule for the Jedi. Here's the link:

https://www.inverse.com/entertainme...-post-sequel-trilogy-leak-revamped-jedi-order

There is a difference from working (present) for Variety to having worked for those two other sites and now having a podcast. And there is also a difference from stating that Rey's Jedi Order would allow attachments with LFL debating internally what to do.

Also, for reference, this is what KK said about the matter 8 months ago:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rey-kenobi-rumors-kathleen-kennedy-response/

 

Star wars has scared of many great filmakers after the Last Jedi backlash. Many fans dosent know what George Lucas was about. Just see The Clone Wars for what was he about. Its not subtle. The shows are doing a good job telling a story, movies will follow.

 

Yeah but the problem with Solo was that there really wasn't an interest from the general movie going audience for a Han Solo origin story. Plus it was released too soon after the last Star Wars movie. Not sure what that has to do with the 12 Star Wars projects that flamed out before being made.

 

Disney plus soon after got made is also a reason.

 

Good point. And yeah I suppose when they hire the director of The Pink Panther they're thinking, "this guy will do anything for a paycheck. He'll do exactly what we tell him to do".

 

Yeah but she’s referring to pre-TRoS Jedi there. That’s the difference.

 

Is this the kind of case when you want this to happen and want to simplify the debate to the pont where it does not make sense to even have it? KK is not making any reference to the time period her opinion applies.

 

She’s specifically referring to Obi-Wan Kenobi in that interview… Might wanna look at yourself in the mirror there, pal. Or just keep projecting onto me. Whatever makes you feel better.

 

The jedi and the no attachment rule moving forward should change and get updated.

 

Well, because the question whas basically why Rey could not be a Kenobi. Unless now the rules apply only to Obi-Wan for some reason.

Why would I want to look in the mirror? You have posted something as a rumor that was clearly wrong. I simply corrected it, since I read it as well.

 

At this point I don’t know if you’re baiting or not but I’m bored right now so I’m gonna keep going anyways.

Rey can’t be Kenobi’s kid cause the Jedi BEFORE Rey’s time didn’t bump uglies. We don’t know what kinda rules the NEW Jedi order AFTER The Rise of Skywalker will have yet.

Kennedy was simply saying that having Kenobi bump uglies with somebody would contradict the lore that Lucas had in place for the movies that HE made, all of which take place BEFORE Rey’s time.

And to back up a bit, Vanity Fair is a trade magazine made up of REPORTERS just like Variety is (i mixed up the names in my head, admittedly). While they’re not primarily in the movie news business like Variety, hearing a scoop from a REPORTER still holds more legs than a scoop from some random YouTuber. That doesn’t mean what that REPORTER is saying will turn out to be true, mind you, but that’s besides the point.

I’m allowed to speculate that the NEW Jedi order may allow attachments just as much as you’re allowed to speculate that they won’t, but the fact that you act like you’re some kind of authority is just downright pathetic.

 

If it wasn’t for the sheer brilliance of Watchmen, I would be quite concerned for this. Another thing that's giving me optimism is look at the amount of films Kennedy has KKd in the last few years. Yet this one has seemingly slipped through. Surely it must be good, at least on paper?

 

Jeez, a couple of quotes and links and people starts insulting you. We are all here debating. The fact that I am posting the sources of some of the stuff we are making reference to is not me acting like some kind of authority, but rather me trying to back up my arguments. I encourage you to do the same, it enriches the debate.

But yep, to sum up, my point is that, since KK said the no-attachment rule was so relevant to GL's mythology, the fact that some fans want to see this changed going forward, might not be enough for it to actually change.

Hope this clears it up.

 

Sure, you’re backing your points up with quotes but then clearly dodging my counter arguments to those very same quotes and inserting your own opinions into those quotes rather than looking at them objectively. The fact of the matter is that we still don’t know how similar or different the future Jedi will be to Lucas’s Jedi. The fact that the powers that be were okay with having Rey and Kylo kiss at the end of TRoS seems to suggest that they’re at least open to moving away from the attachments rule as the Jedi continue to evolve.

 

To add to the above, the Jedi history can basically be split into three phases:

ORDER ONE: The Jedi order that existed all the way up until the purge that happened in RotS (evolved from the old/high republic).

ORDER TWO: The small school that Luke had briefly in between the OT and the ST.

ORDER THREE: Whatever Rey/Finn/Jannah/whoever do in the future. (Btw, are those other ex-stormtroopers force sensitive too? TRoS was kinda murky about that.)

Kennedy’s quote was regarding Kenobi, meaning it really only applies to ORDER ONE.

That said, even if the Jedi of the future maintain the no attachments rule, who’s to say there won’t be fringe cases? It’s happened before, after all (Anakin, Kanan sorta, Rey briefly, Elzar briefly, etc.).

 

Lindelof’s feature film scripts have been, for the most part, absolutely terrible. He sucked the life out of Prometheus with his awful final draft.

 

I heard someone explain recently that Lindelof was only implementing the changes that Ridley Scott demanded.

I'm not a big fan of doing a SW version of Your Name, but I do hope that Star Wars does away with the idea that romantic love is somehow inherently toxic for empathy and spirituality. This is a concept that Lucas picked up from dysfunctional religious thought, and there's no reason for LFL to continue to spread such ideas.

 

If that's not his point, then there's no reason for LFL to continue the Jedi Order no attachment bans.

I happen to think Lucas actually critiques the ban in The Clone Wars; the idea is that the ban really isn't good for the Jedi and part of their downfall.

But nevertheless, this is a subject for debate because many of us would like to see a change in future SW films, and LFL themselves have debated it internally.

 

In fact, some fans argued that, based on what happens in ROTJ, Luke should have family in the ST, like in the old EU. GL not only was always against Mara Jade marrying Luke and him having any offspring back in the day, he was going to follow the same route with his version of the ST.

Last thing we saw about Luke was BoBF Chapter 6, written and directed by Filoni. And Luke’s stance about attachments is clear.

I tend to think the fans who argue that Jedi should embrace attachments do so based on the fandom need to feel “represented” by their heroes. And most of us have a family who we love deeply.

Personally, I don’t feel the need the Jedi have to marry or have kids. First of all cause this is not how GL saw the Order. But most importantly, because the Jedi I like the most have demonstrated a lot of times they love and care for others. How else could Obi-Wan’s feelings for Anakin or Leia be described? Or Luke’s feelings for his father and his sister?