Sith: Name's origin

Loipon, tis proalles pira to national geographic me to evagellio tou Iouda, gia na do ki ego giati tosos doros me afto.
De leo, prokite gia poli simantiki anakalypsi kai axisi ti dimosiotita. Parolo pou viastikan oi apantachou christianoi na to charaktirisoun eretiko, nomizo oti tha eprepe na to doun pio antikimenika to thema kai na tou thosoun tin analogi axia, giati telika mou fenete na echi mia exisou simantiki thesi mazi me ta alla chirografa evagellia. Telospanton, de thelo na po gia to evagellio, alla gia ton Sith pou milai mesa. O Sith ine -lei- adelfos tou Kain kai tou Avel...Ki eki emina me anoichto to stoma. Esis ichate xanakousi oti ichan adelfo onomati Sith oi Kain & Avel??? Lete na pire apo eki to onoma Sith o Loucas???

 

Ti? Den to ixera auto (opws fantazomai kai kaneis allos mexri twra). Mas bgainei dld kai apokrifistis o theios ean eixe up'opsin tou tosa xronia prin tin onomasia auti... Fits the profile though... Asxeto, egw kollisa xthes giati kathomoun kai skeftomoun sta sobara mipws to "Sith" einai anagramatismos tou "sh.." Paizei?

 

E, na po tin alitheia, den me ekplisei. Exei toses thriskeftikes anafores to SW, giati oxi k afti? Oso gia to "Sh..", nai exei sxesi, gia opoion kiniko vlaka antipathise to Ep3...

 

Endiaferon...

 

Apistefto!!!

 

Ondws !
Epipleon den hksera oti Oi Kain kai Avel eixan kai allon aderfo.Telospantwn pisteva oti h onomasia "Sith" ebnefsthke apo Egyptiakous theous o Lucas h kati tetoio telospantwn.

Vre ti matheneis ama psaxneis !

 

Oute go icha akousi gia allon adelfo, alla ap'oti katalava prokite gia apopsi tou Ioudaismou. Malista o Sith itan toso telios os anthropos kai agapitos sto Theo, pou dimiourgithike xechoristi thriskia: o Sithismos...The thimame akrivos tora & den echo to vivlio mazi mou. Anyway, epifilasome gia leptomeries.
To mistirio pantos ine, oti to onoma "Sith" os vivliko, then to vrika pouthena sto internet. Mono s'afto to vivlio to ida proti fora.
Anyway, opos ipan ki oi Urkanoid & Gianakin, o thios genika echi tetio apokrifistiko\thriskevomeno profile kai istoriko me tis tainies tou, opote poli pithanon na ischii...

Afto gia tous Egyptious theous, Revan, pou to ides?

Oso gia to sh@t...eee... mallon tha simfoniso me ton Gianakin!!

 

Den echw akousei tipota gi' afti tin istoria, enas filos mou prochthes kati mou anefere gia Sithismo alla nomiza oti eiche na kanei me to Seth (i' Sith), ton archaio Egyptio theo pou 'tan poly tsakali (kyriolektika). Borei kai na min einai symptwsi.

Mono na apandisw s' afto pou eipe o Evastar, oti telika tou fenetai na echei to Evangellio tou Iouda mia exisou simandiki thesi mazi me ta alla cheirografa evangellia. Afto einai poly apla lathos. To Evangellio tou Iouda einai ena Gnwstiko keimeno. Mia mystikistiki bourda if you ask me diladi. O Gnwstikismos itan thriskeftikos tropos skepsis pou eiche kyriws na kanei me to dyismo (machi tou Apolyou Kalou kai tou Apolytou Kakou, kati pou den yparchei sto Christianismo, afou to Apolyto Kako, o Satanas, einai angelos ki ochi theos) kai ton antikosmismo, diladi ti daimonopiisi tou swmatos kai tou physikou kosmou yper tou pnevmatos. Aftes i idees pigazoun ap' to Zwroastrismo kai ton Orphismo andistoicha. Aftoi pou egrapsan to Evangellio tou Iouda (kai ta alla Gnwstika Evangellia) to egrapsan gia na parousiasoun ti Gnwstiki ekdochi twn standar Evangelliwn. Einai sa na gyrizeis ena remake gia na peraseis tis idees sou. Epomenws se kammia periptwsi min to vlepeis etsi. Apo kammia apopsi kanena Gnwstiko keimeno den borei na echei exisou symandiki thesi me ta Evangellia, pou an mi ti allo graftikan oso o Christianismos itan akoma underground. Oute ws iero keimeno twn Christianwn oute ws istoriki martyria (enas tomeas pou kai ta original Evangellia chanoun poly). An ta kanonika Evangellia graftikan 100 to maximoum chronia meta ti gennisi tou Christou, to Evangellio tou Iouda einai grammeno 300 to maximoum chronia meta (an embisteveste to carbon dating).

UPDATE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

 

OK, stoiximatizw oti tote opws kai twra to "Euaggelio" tou Iouda dianemithike sto koino me ton idio tropo, dwro mazi me kana periodiko i kamia fillada... (Xronikes anakolouthies opws i mi uparxi piestiriwn kai kata sunepeia entupou logou > efimerides klp, parakalw na agnoithoun eugenika...) Mia akomi ebraiki sapounofouska loipon...

 

Akros endiaferonta ta legomena sou, Keiller.Me exeplixes -opos panta...Na diefkriniso mono oti prin charaktirisa etsi to evangellio, giati pragmatika prokite gia mia poli simantiki anakalypsi & epistimoniki & apo thriskeftikis apopsis. De sygrinete fysika me ta evangellia tis Kenis Diathikis, alla an krinoume apo tin chronologia stin opoia -opos lene oi epistimones- graftike, dld giro sto 150 meta Christou, boroume kallista na katalavoume kai ti spoudeotita tou. Lene loipon, oti me afto to evangellio epiveveonetai i martiria enos episkopou (tou Irinaiou) o opoios iche anaferthi s'afto giro sta 180 meta Christou. Se genikes grammes afti i anakalypsi voithai kalitera stin katanoisi tou Iisou kai tis christianosinis. Bori opos ipes poli sosta, Starkeiller, na prokite gia gnostikistiko keimeno, alla afto de mioni tin spoudeotita tou. Aplos -gnomi mou- irthe gia na prosthesi kati se ola afta pou graftikan apo tous diaforous pateres tis proimis christianikis periodou...
Parolo pou ime christiani kai afta pou ine grammena sto evangellio then ine simfona me kimena tis Kenis Diathikis, prospatho na do to thema antikimenika...Tha sas fani chazo & ascheto, alla edo kai polla chronia, apo tote pou ida proti fora tin tainia tou Franco Zefirelli "Jesus of Nazareth", o Ioudas mou itan sympathis... Ton emfanize os kapoion pou exapatithike apo enan ypoulo chafie (ton Zerah an thimame kala to onoma)kai metaniomenos gia tin apotropea praxi tou, aftoktonise...An tichi kai diavasete to evangellio tou Iouda, tha katalavete oti & o Zefirelli mallon kati iche ipopsiasti...

Sto parakato link, tha thite tis gnomes ton idikon gia to thema
http//:www.nationalgeographic.gr/lostgospel/specialists.html

A! Na diorthoso kai gia to Sithismo pou ipa prin & then thimomoun kala to onoma tou kinimatos. To sosto ine Sithianismos.

 

Egw pali pio symbathi ap' olous aftous tous vivlikous vriskw to Diaolo... Sovara, diavaste to Paradise Lost (yparchei mono se aparchaiwmena emmetra agglika, alla twra echei vgei kai modernopoiimeni version se proza) kai tha me thimitheite.

 

Sorry, Urkanoid pou then anaferthika xechorista sto thiko sou post chthes, alla i alithia ine, oti ithela na apantiso prota ston Master & to thiko sou post me estrefe se entelos alli katefthinsi...Ti akrivos ennois me tin evraiki sapounofouska? Milas genika gia ta diafora kimena pou vriskontai kata kairous i iponois kati allo [ama s'akousi i Portman tha se diaolostili!! ]?

Starkeiller, esi logiko na vriskis pio sympathi ap'olous to diavolo, afou miazete... Tha ithela omos na to diafaso afto to Paradise Lost...Pou tha to vro?

note: Iparchi periptosi na boro na grapso me ellinikous charaktires? Diskolevome me tous latinikous re gmt...

 

Mpa, den ipostirizei to forum ellinikous xaraktires, paketo.

 

Paradise Lost:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/index.shtml

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0963962140/ref=ord_cart_shr/102-2974347-6016914?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.stedwards.edu/hum/klawitter/milton/icon.htm

 

Xrisimopoiisa ti sugkekrimeni frasi epeidi mou prokalei apostrofi to xristianiko dogma to opoio me ti seira tou apotelei tin Theologiki-Kosmogoniki proseggisi twn katoikwn mias sugkekrimenis gewgragikis perioxis, en prokeimenw twn ebraiwn. Einai simantiko na prosthesw oti eimai apoluta arnitikos pros oles tis thriskeies para to gegonos oti antilambanomai a)ton logo gia ton opoio -exakolouthoun- na uparxoun kai b)tin leitourgia pou epiteloun se pagkosmio politikokoinwniko kai oikonomiko epipedo. H eidiki apextheia pou aisthanomai pros ton xriastinismo afora apokleistika kai mono ton fasistiko tropo me ton opoio apopeirathike na mou epiblithei mesw twn thesmwn kai twn leitourgiwn tou kratous. H diarkis kai asfiktiki plusi egkefalou pou ginetai kai se auti ti xwra se sxesi me themata thriskeias (kata sunepeia se sxesi me to orthodoxo dogma) mou dimiourgei exairetika megali dusforia kai tin aisthisi periorismou tis eleutherias mou. Sto plaisio loipon olwn twn ilithiwn tainiwn tou pasxa kai tou dithen eulabous klimatos mesa sto opoio kinountai oi "pistoi" (mia thrasutati parwdia eswterikeusis kai pneumatikis egrigorsis), erxetai na prostethei kai to "euaggelio tou Iouda" kai o kwdikas DaVinci kai ena swro alles adiafores (kat' eme) saxlamares, sapounofouskes oi opoies kalws i kakws apoteloun parametrous tis ebraikis muthologias. Sorry alla exw mpouxtisei me tis thriskeies kai me ton pono pou prokaloun oloi autoi oi tufloi ilithioi pou tis thewroun oxi ermineies tou kosmou alla autonomous kosmous.

 

Sevasti i apopsi sou, Urkanoid.Fisika the tha katso na sou miliso gia to christianismo i gia to an prepi na pistevoume i ochi, giati afto ine kathara prosopiko thema. Afto pou les omos gia to oti I Evrei mas diedosan ta dika tous pistevo me to etsi thelo, tha diafoniso. Esi to vlepis etsi, giati then pistevis, omos to mono pou ekanan oi mathites tou Iisou itan na diadosoun ston kosmo gia ton Christo, kati gia to opoio itan martyres oi idioi ki afto simeni oti then tous ekopse etsi apla kai ipan na archisoun na lene ta paramythakia tous ston kosmo. Ithan pragmati ti theiki parousia, opote me ti voithia tou Theou, anelavan na diadosoun ti didaskalia tou Iisou. Oso gia tin katapiesi pou les, nomizo oti o Christianismos ine apo tis pio "elastikes" thriskies tou kosmou. Gia rota kai tous Mousoulmanous ti travane kai meta ela na mou pis gia katapiesi. Ego pantos, apo atheous anthropous pou gnorizo, then trone kamia katapiesi. Niothoun "eleftheri" -an afto legete eleftheria... Afto pou echo na po omos gia tin Ekklisia kai tous papades, ine oti echoun apistefta diafthari kai echoun aliosi to pragmatiko noima tis didaskalias tou Christou. Aftoi oi idioi edioxan tous anthroupous apo tin Ekklisia...De leo...Eine ki aftoi anthropoi kai opos oli oi anthropoi kanoun lathi, alla ta thika tous lathi ine 100 fores pio katakritea, giati diastrevlonoun to kirigma tou Theou, eno echoun analavi entelos alla pragmata. I na ta kanoun sosta i na min ta kanoun katholou. Eidika o Papas (opoios ki an eine aftos, O Benedictos me ta Prada papoutsakia tou i o proin pou mas afise chronous) i o dikos mas o Christodoulos...mono na xeftilizoun kai na xeftilizontai echo na po.
Anyway...vgikame off-topic! Telika tin proelefsi tou "Sith" boroume na ti mathoume mono apo ton idio ton thio, e... Poios tha ton rotisi, parakalo?


P.S. Starkeiller, thnx gia to link tou P.L.! Diavasa tin isagogi kai mou fenete idi poli endiaferon...Anypomono na to xekiniso, an kai fantazome tha diskolefto kapos me ta agglika tou 17ou aiona...

 

Tha symfwnisw en merei me ton Urkanoid. Sichainomai to Christianismo ws Ekklisia. Idiaitera sichainomai tous Orthodoxous, pou einai oi pio opistodromikoi kai kapelwtikoi ap' olous. Alla egw aditheta goustarw tis thriskeis poly. Se oles schedon tis thriskeies vriskw stoicheia pou me adiproswpevoun, kai sto Christianismo vriskw polla. An kai sto myalo mou Christianismos, Islam kai____________________Ioudaismos (i seira einai axiologiki) einai peripou i idia thriskeia. An to psaxete tha deite giati. Einai oi treis megales Avraamikes thriskeies. Vasika einai paralages tis idias ideas pou travixan poly makria apo aftin sto telos. Me tis thriskeies ta paw kala. Me tis Ekklisies kai tous ekproswpous tous echw to provlima.

 

1) Ep oudeni den lew oti oi Ebraioi diedwsan tin thriskeia tous me to etsi thelw. Antithetws, i diadosi mias thriskeias einai mia idiaitera suntheti diadikasia i opoia kathorizetai apo mia seira simantikwn paragontwn. Opoiosdipote tolmisei na isxuristei kati tis taxews tou "mas ti diedwsan me to etsi thelw" einai toulaxiston faidros. Tetoiou eidous themata exetazontai me basi sugkekrimenous epistimonikous orous. Ypeuthini gia tin exaplwsi tou katholikismou einai profanws i Pwmaiki Autokratoria kai gia autin tis orthodoxias i Buzantini. Kaneis den isxurizetai oti gia opoiodipote ap' ta duo auta dogmata eixe efarmostei kapoia methodos biaiou prosulitismou (mexri tis Staurofories bebaiws, ton pio aniero iero polemo ever...).

2)H katapiesi pou biwsa egw proerxetai apo tin efarmogi tis sustimatikis methodologias tou kratous to opoio ontas anikano na diaxwristei apo tin sapia opws eipes Evastar ekklisia, ektelei to ergo tis. Gia na ginw safis, xriatianiki baptisi (poios me rwtise?), 12 xronia plisis egkefalou apo to thlibero elliniko sxoleio, agiasmos sto strato klp... Asxetws tou an egw diafwnw me tin orthodoxia to problima stin prokeimeni periptwsi einai po-li-ti-ko. H xwra auti den proagei tin anexithriskeia, tin exei thapsei kapou kai tin exei xehasei...



Oi thriskeies profanws parousiazoun exairetiko akadimaiko endiaferon oson afora tis diafores filosofikes kai politikes tous proektaseis, eidika otan exetazontai me basi enan istoriko axona. Apoteloun mia ekfansi tis prospatheias tou antrhwpou na antilifthei(?) tin pragmatiki ifi kai poiotita autou tou kosmou. Opws omws ena paidaki kapoia stigmi bgazei tis boithitikes apo to podilato tou etsi tha prepei kapoia stigmi kai i anthrwpotita na apofasisei oti prepei na poreutei xwris tous plastous theous tis. Opws kai na xei thewrw oti osa exoun eipwthei einai arketa, af enos giati mia antallagi apopsewn se sxesi me ena tetoio thema mporei aneta na labei kolossiaies diastaseis kai kalutera tha itan na ginei dia zwsis kai af eterou giati tetoiou eidous debates einai ligo polu askopa. H pisti tou kathenos einai ontws austira proswpiko tou thema kai i epilogi tou na basizetai se autin einai apoluta sebasti.

 

Tha paramino mono se afto to telefteo, Urkanoid, giati opos ipes ki esi to sigekrimeno thema den echi oute archi oute telos...Idika an prokite na sizitithi anamesa se dio anthropous pou presvevoun entelos antithetes thriskeftikes apopsis.


Re, Starkeiller...pes mou se parakalo...Ekatses esi kai diavases oooooolo to original epos tou Milton? Giati ego olo to Savatokyriako [opote icha ligo chrono dld]prospathousa na katalavo mono to "front matter"! Mechri telos tou 2006 dld, pistevo na to echo teliosi to "piimataki"...Prokite gia epos olokliro, afou ithele, lei, na miazi me Iliada & Odyssia, opote...katalavenete ton ongo tou! Epsaxa na to vro metafrasmeno sta ellinika kai telika iparchi, alla sto site pou to iche, itan exandlimeno. Tha prospathiso omos na do an ginete na to paragillo apo kana topiko vivliopolio. Den xero, alla mou tin epexe tora kai thelo pasi thisia na to diavaso! To link pou edoses me to vivlio sto Amazon, den ine to original e? Prokite gia tin istoria aplos se morfi diigimatos?

 

Re pousti mou, dld IMARTON!!!!
Ta posts sas einai poly terastia kai den exw xrono na ta diavasw...

 

lol!..... Giati kale? Sinechos ise on the run?
Chalarose...pare to frapedaki sou i to chimo sou, katse ston kanape, aplose ta podia sto trapezaki, vale pano to laptop sou kai apolafse ta oraia mas zoumera postakia...
An den echis laptop, araxe se mia masazopolithrona kai stisou brosta sto PC ki apolafse! Apla pragmata.

 

Ela omws pou den pinw frape
Plaka plaka ontws afta ta terastia posts den exw xrono na ta diavasw. Aftes tis meres eimai olo sto treximo kai exw poly ligo xrono gia na tsekarw polla threads...
Kai den xerw an tha prolavw...PREPEI NA PROLAVW

 

Siga min to 'chw diavasei olo. Alla eimai se kalo dromo...

Ellinika xechna to, echei exandlithei dia pandos. Kai i metafrasi den prepei na itan kai tipota spoudaio...

Se apla, moderna agglika kai se proza. I aplopoiimeni morfi me dyo logia.

(O Sifis eimai, e? De berdeftikate? Wraia... )

 

Rotisa prochthes s'ena vivliopolio edo stin poli-chorio kai mou ipan oti tha to paragiloun kai tha me paroun til. molis ftasi...Makari na min echi exandlithi!
Parolo pou to original sigoura echi oli ti chari, den xero kataposon me tis gnosis ton agglikon mou boro na katalavo kai to plires noima...Kai den echo to chrono na katso na ascholitho opos tha ithela . Allo na diavazis sw alternative universe ki allo na diavazis olokliro epos...Tha echo omos ipopsin mou kai to allo sto Amazon, thnx!