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Rogue One [Spoilers] Inconsistencies with the rest of the saga

Discussion in 'Anthology' started by 11-4D, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    Not necessary.
     
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  2. darthjj88

    darthjj88 Jedi Master star 2

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    According to "Lost Stars" there was at least 3 weeks between Scarif and Leia getting captured. Is there any confirmation on the time between the 2 movies?
     
  3. Darth Mikey

    Darth Mikey Jedi Master star 3

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    Really? I assumed like maybe a day or so at most. 3 weeks seems like an awful long time for Leia to get to Tattooine.
     
  4. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    A hyperdrive jump.
    The Tantive zaps off to Tatooine, and Leia prepares to shuttle down to Obi Wan.
    The local Imperial Air Traffic Controllers spot the ship in orbit and report back to Vader.
    The Devastator zaps to Tatooine, chases for a bit then catches in in a tractor beam.

    Considering all the Rules that have built up around Hyperspace (and have been broken), the sequence doesn't quite work, but hey, artistic licence.

    I think.

    So, maybe there was a time delay?
    The Tantive flies back to Yavin to sort a few things out first?
     
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  5. Pro Scoundrel

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    THREAD MERGE.
     
  6. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    According to Leland Chee it's only hours... not three weeks.
     
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  7. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    That works better.
     
  8. Millennium Falcon 888

    Millennium Falcon 888 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, seems more logical... Because looking at the ending of Rogue One and how seamlessly it merges into the opening of A New Hope, it can't be so many weeks before the Imperial Star Destroyer catches up... So logically, a timeframe of several hours is most appropriate!


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  9. darthjj88

    darthjj88 Jedi Master star 2

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    Well that's a pretty big screw up from the story group then because Ciena was not at scarif and she says she was on the Devastator for 3 weeks before they captured Leia in ANH. I need to see Pablo's answer to this cannon issue.
     
  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Maybe Ciena was in a minor role on the ship, before being moved to the auxiliary bridge - hence not seeing the battle.
     
  11. darthjj88

    darthjj88 Jedi Master star 2

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    That is an explanation that I keep hearing, but I find it very hard to believe that she would be involved in that big battle to protect the plans and not even know about it.
     
  12. Sauntaero

    Sauntaero Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kind of like a capital ship transporting the royal family of Alderaan wouldn't drop it somewhere outside the battle....
     
  13. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah especially with them going out of their way to place Tatooine close enough to scarif that it would logically only take about 5 hours or so.
     
  14. james92rogers

    james92rogers Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The Devastator only arrived right at the end, maybe she was sleeping as they popped in for a quick battle and didn't realise
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Considering the hugeness of the crew (over 36000, not counting infantry), it actually makes sense that they would be working in shifts. And thus, that she wasn't on the duty shift at the time.
     
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  16. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    I googled this and see the passage in a book called Lost Stars.

    Does new canon media offer a physical location on the Devastator for this auxiliary bridge?
     
  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Ciena is present for the escape pod scene "hold your fire- there's no lifeforms aboard" - then has to take a lift trip up to the main bridge - so it will be some way below.

    On the Resurgent-class, the 'Emergency bridge" is forward of the main bridge, and in the centre of the ship's hull - receiving all its input from sensors. Imperial-class may be the same.
     
  18. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    Ok. So as of right now there is not any ICS diagram locating it specifically, where, on a Devastator. Is there any indication that this secondary bridge also resides in the bridge superstructure (what I call the hammerhead), rather than down in or on the main superstructure (the fortress levels lying on top of the long wedge)?
     
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Given that the lift passes through a lot of levels, I would suspect the fortress levels - even if it can't be confirmed.
     
  20. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    Ok. A candidate secondary bridge is available from the mandate of the ILM studio Avenger model, which gave the mandate for the primary (prolate) bridge. Going by eye it would require an elevator ride of 6 or 7 levels, from the chin of the hammerhead to the primary bridge. But if the secondary bridge is in the midships superstructure, that is not inconsistent with the clinical definition of conning towers on early WW2 battleships (closer to the mandate of Roosevelt white-painted dreadnoughts cited by Colin Cantwell). Those (thick armored, round) conning towers were forward of the control superstructure, lower than the main unarmored bridge, and rear of the forward main guns. The source for the South Dakota image also shows that the conning tower's presence can depend on role. Later battleship designs (Iowa) placed the conning tower inside the bridge rather than forward of it.

    HMS Hood:
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    USS South Dakota conning tower
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    From: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57a.htm
     
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  21. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not necessarily a contradiction as its not canon, but I thought this was interesting. I finally got round to buying the complete SW Radio broadcast trilogy on CD. The original film is heavily expanded from the movie with additional scenes added. But it begins with Leia being held up by the Imperials on Raltair where she comes across a wounded Rebel solider who tells them about the Empires new project (the Death Star), Leia smuggles him on to the Tantive IV before the Imperials tell her they are free to leave. Subequently in a meeting with Bail Organa he tells Leia that the Rebels have captured the plans after a large battle and they need to go and retireve them and also stop off at Tatooine to pick up Obi-Wan. Leia then takes the Tantive IV to a planet, (which is under Imperial control), where the plans are beamed to the ship from the planets surface. The Devastator is there and as the Tantive makes it escape it follows the ship through hyperspace to Tatooine. Leia thinks that one of her soldiers on the ship is a traitor and planted a homing beacon for the Imperials to follow so she only trusts a droid with the plans.
     
  22. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Now I'm going to have to go listen to that.
     
  23. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I found the script for R1 and ANH on the Internet just to be sure to remember exactly what was said in both movies:

    IMPERIAL OFFICER
    The rebel flag ship is disabled, my lord,
    but has received transmission from the surface.

    VADER
    Prepare a boarding party.

    IMPERIAL OFFICER
    Yes, my lord.

    So Vader really "traced" the trasmission, but to the Profundity. Since Tantive IV was docked inside the Profundity, the weird part happens when in ANH Vader treats the Tantive as if it was the Profundity:


    IMPERIAL OFFICER
    The Death Star plans are not in the
    main computer.


    VADER
    Where are those transmissions you
    intercepted?
    What have you done with those plans?

    REBEL OFFICER
    We intercepted no transmissions.
    Aaah... This is a consular ship.
    We're on a diplomatic mission.

    then

    VADER Don't play games with me, Your
    Highness. You weren't on any mercy
    mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted system. << this has also become strange given the facts
    Several transmissions were beamed to this
    ship by Rebel spies. I want to know
    what happened to the plans they sent
    you.

    and


    VADER
    I have traced the Rebel spies to
    her. Now she is my only link to find
    their secret base!

    So I would love to know the official word for these apparent mismatches.
     
  24. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    When Vader says the plans were "beamed" aboard the ship he means that he watched as some panicky soldier "ran really fast" on to the ship, carrying the plans.

    His ANH dialogue is not at all contradicted by Rogue One... from a certain point of view.
     
  25. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Maybe "beam" has a slightly different meaning in the GFFA.

    "Could you beam me the ketchup, please?"