ST ST Criticism Discussion Thread

If there wasn't for head canon there would be no canon at all.

 

No one in the galaxy has to worry about retaliation from Starkiller Base during TLJ, because it's been destroyed. Despite that threat being non-existent, no one chooses to help the Resistance. Interesting. The FO really did achieve its goal with SKB, because apparently nothing outside the Hosnian system was/is a threat.

It's kinda like (I am aware of the differences) if we go back to ANH and Alderaan is literally the only planet rebelling against the Empire. The Death Star is destroyed, but it doesn't matter, because there are no more planets the Empire needs to destroy or threaten with destruction.

 

Pretty much. And TPTB have openly admitted this, to our sorrow.

 

The next step in the progression of over the top armies is a Starkiller Base, that has a Death Star orbiting around it, with a fleet orbiting around the Death Star.

 

The difference is that in the OT, we were told enough to get the idea that the Empire was massive and the sole major political power in the Galaxy. The Old Republic was gone and there was only a small band of Rebels opposing them. Simple yet effective, and clear. Heck even the name "Galactic Empire" conveys a lot about their scale/power. As was their leader having the title "Emperor."

By contrast "First Order" is far more vague, with "Supreme Leader" sounding more like the title of a cult. Also the FO controls some of the Galaxy, but it's unclear how much, the New Rupublic controls other parts but again it's unclear how much, as is their scale/power/resources in comparison to one another. Then The Resistance and what it is complicates matters more, and unnecessarily so imo. And the seeming contradictions between TFA and TLJ do not help either.

Basically the ST is much more vague and convoluted on things. Also again, bringing up the OT just shows how utterly lacking in new ideas the ST has been so far.

 

I agree with what you said here, most especially the comment about Luke returning if the resistance had been able to send Han and Chewie for Luke. I still don’t know why chewie and Artoo were willing to maroon Luke on Ahch to at Rey’s orders. As someone said ( maybe you in an earlier post?), the real chewie would have just picked Luke up and carried him into the Falcon.

And if Han had gone WITH Chewie, there is no way that Han would have accepted “ no” as Luke’s answer. Luke would have gone back to the resistance with them.

Sadly, they killed Han off so he couldn’t bring Luke back. But then, why didn’t Leia go? There is NO WAY that Luke would have refused an in person “ request” from his twin sister. Rey turned out to be a bust as the one to appeal to Luke to return. She completely failed in her mission, and I now truly question why rey was sent in the first place. She was really a poor choice to go. She was a complete stranger to Luke and he had no reason to acquiesce to her and go back to the resistance. Why should he agree to go with her? They have no connection and no relationship. It was actually silly for the resistance to send her. They didn’t know her either. She was a stranger to them too. How could they know that they could trust her with this vital mission after just meeting her?

At the end of TFA, I thought that the reason that Rey was sent was because perhaps they did have a connection...that she was his daughter; that she was the daughter of one of his slain Jedi students; that she herself had started training there as a small child and had somehow been lost. It would have made sense for rey to try to bring Luke back if they had some kind of relationship. But since they didn’t, there was no reason at all to send stranger Rey on the mission to convince Luke to return,...especially since they really knew nothing about her. They had just met her. It really makes no sense, particularly when it turned out that Luke never even ended up training Rey as a Jedi or passing the baton to her.

Luke was the whole goal that the ristance members were trying to achieve in TFA, but as it turned out, Luke never really returned to help or to restore the Jedi, which is what lor San teka and the others were hoping, so Luke didn’t really need to be in the film at all.

 

we got cranky subversive recluse Luke. yay.

 

It's very different. In the OT we never see in a single movie a comically big ship destroyed in the first minutes, followed by another one few minutes later, eventually destroyed again, just to see that after that second destruction the enemy is still overpowerful anyway.

 

I think you do get what I'm saying. The Supremacy is closer to the DS than an average ship. TLJ is more or less like seeing the DS destroyed three time in a single movie. With the enemy that are still dominating afterwards.

 

Not just The Supremacy, but a bunch of SD's around it as well.

 

Yeah, I don't even know what deflating and merry go round mean without googling them, but I feel Chorus perfectly summarized my point of view.

 

@Darth Chiznuk
That's fair, but the same result could have been achieved without this exaggerated demonstration of power. Especially since, as we see, in order to balance the conflict they had to ad hoc decrease the IQ of the FO generals so that the Resistance can survive. If the FO proceeded with the most obvious strategy it would have simply annihilated the Resistance in one of the several occasions it had.

@Pro Scoundrel
Do we have a gif in which the indicted tries to reply and his lawyer quietly suggests him to avoid talking 'cause it is in his best interests to let it go?