Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Darth Claire, Dec 17, 2015.
A montage of others peoples work is not art. I don't know anyone who would think that video has artistic merit, because there is nothing original in it.
Actually photomontage is a very well known and widely respected form of art. It's where you take pre-existing images and arrange them in a new form via montage.
I think people are being a little rigid with thejeditraitor here. This thread isn't full of anything we'd find in an art gallery after all. His videos are fun to watch and show the imagery to us in a new way and with a nice atmosphere with the music he provides, and the sequence he gives them.
Chill out, folks. This thread is supposed to be fun.\
EDIT: Really, what he does is editing, and that's considered an art by most who have any knowledge of film or even literature.
Photomontage isn't a video showing some behind the scenes shots from a film. I'm not sure why this debate has surfaced again, but nothing has been created here; there were some photos released, and they've all been imported into a video editor with a John Williams track stuck over the top. There's no creativity even in choices of image - it's just literally what was released.
photomontages can definitely be artfully done and used to create something new
Unquestionably. But thats not what that post was. It consisted of every photo released (so no creative choice in what to include, what to leave out) using a default Ken Burns mode, whilst slapping on a bit of John Williams music. Convenient way to view leaked images? Sure. Creative endeavour? Nope.but still not sure why this topic was dredged up again, there's art on here that deserves to be talked about more than this does.
Let's not dredge up and continue an argument from six months ago that had died naturally at that point.
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Edited to remove off-topic, bashing image.
That tries way too hard!
^ There's a Luke to go with that Rey.
This thread is for Episode VIII and IX fan art, not TFA bashing.
Found quite a few images inspired by TLJ (spoilers, new images, Mike Zeroh , etc) so I'm putting them in spoiler brackets so that you guys don't have to scroll and scroll and scroll. I'm also trying to link the artist wherever possible :
Rey's outfit in that first poster is the dumbest thing. Yeah, let's show her hips and a bit of thigh, cover her up with a suggestive loincloth, and give her a low hanging belt in addition to the one she's wearing directly around her midriff for the sole purpose of keeping her loincloth in place. It comes right from the "Women should only be on screen if they're eye candy" school of thinking.
Sorry, rant over.
That's OK. I posted it to show that there's that kind of art too. I guess it'll never go out of fashion.
Agreed. What would otherwise be a decent piece of fan art is ruined by male wish-fulfillment.
Oh, lighten up on the heteros. No one's throwing fits about the suggestive Finn & Poe artwork that's been thrown around.
The artist may be a woman too, but that just shows that people are still trained to think in terms of male wish-fulfillment when depicting female characters. Video games still largely adhere to that standard, for example.
OTOH, I agree with the Rebel Grrl podcast that Rey, and/or KMT won't lose their character strength if they wear feminine dresses from time to time. It seems like new Star Wars has gone in a different extreme where women (Rey, Jyn, KMT) are universally tomboys. That's not good either.
I don't think two female characters that dress rough is a trend towards going the other extreme, though. It's just two female characters that dress for their environments/ professions. Rey is a scavenger, and Jyn was a rough and tumble criminal. They dress appropriately for their jobs, as men do. Putting Rey in a dress to scale Star Destroyer husks, or Jyn in a skirt to infiltrate Saw's partisan underworld, just wouldn't work. The characters and situations determine the clothing.
Now, if in the next few Star Wars movies, we get female politicians/ socialites of the Republic (or the First Order) dressed in fatigues and cargo pants, for some reason, that might be an issue. But right now, the clothing of the female characters seems to fit the character. And that's all most people ask for: attire appropriate for the job, man or woman.
It's when warrior gear looks more like Saturday night club gear that people get legitimately annoyed. And that's an old habit/ convention in this genre that should be challenged.
Gigoran Monk I think that the discussion was more, like, don't avoid putting them in situations where they can wear something nice. Like, I'm still baffled that KMT is wearing army fatigues in the glamorous Dubrovnik. I'm sure there's a good reason but right now it doesn't feel right. It feels, like, we are trying really hard not to have girly girl heroines.
Yes, but right next to those rumors, we have rumors that Laura Dern's character has pink hair, and we have photos depicting a number of women in fancy dresses, jewelry, and elaborately coiffed hairdos. So I still see no evidence of an exclusive focus on "rough" clothing for women. The more likely reason that Rey, Jyn and KMT are wearing rough clothing is that unlike the PT, the ST seems to be more squarely focused on the physical warfare part of Star Wars. So like the OT, there simply doesn't seem to be a lot of room for scenes that involve socializing (as opposed to participating in activities related to warfare). And when women are at war, they should wear clothes appropriate for war. And the same goes for men. Nobody is complaining, for example, that all the men in the ST are wearing military gear. So why should we complain about the women doing so?
That said, Rian seems to be giving us a bit of polite society. And it seems the women sipping drinks will be wearing cocktail dresses, and the men will be wearing suits. Again, dressing appropriately for the job. That should be the standard.
Finn is still in his Resistance gear as well, that could be a clue you know . Let's face it, there's a lot of weirdness with Planet Dubrovnik - I don't know how many times I have stated that everyone on the streets and on the boat is wearing black and white, just black and white, no other colour at all. Besides that there are no waiters to be seen, no barmen, no doormen, no cleaners, no 'ordinary people' at all. Planet Dubrovnik, or what we have seen of it is a very exclusive place, whether that extends to the rumoured Casino or not remains to be seen.
This is not a TLJ fan art. This from the Kanan comic when Kanan/Caleb and Depa Bilaba train.