A/V Star Wars: The Bad Batch Series Discussion Thread

Rebels already broke such a streak, if there even was one. Ezra and Kanan ran circles around Vader. Ezra even time traveled to save Ahsoka from being killed by Vader. If that isn't running circles around him, what is?

 

I'll buy that for six dollars.

 

That's really pushing it. Vader kicked the bejeus out of them both times. Grabbing Ahsoka from the timestream was literally a impossible fluke.

 

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I hope this doesn't mean more contradictions with the Johnston book.

 

I thought the Bad Batch folks were pretty underwhelming character and personality wise.

That said I really enjoyed Resistance, it was especially strong with all of the secondary and background characters, and I loved the art style. I kind of wonder if this will be the cell shading style since it’s being helmed by the same people as Resistance.

 

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It's set immediately after Order 66, the book is a year after.

 

It's not pushing it. With Ezra and Ahsoka left alive, they help form the Rebellion. The fact of the matter is that Vader immediately punishes rebel clones per Labyrinth of Evil in the EU, if it's likewise in Canon. If the Bad Batch escape long enough to have their own tv show of all things, that means they ran circles around him.

Just because Vader beats people up before his losses doesn't change the fact he loses against people who should just be dead period. It's the Worf effect ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect ), where Worf does indeed beat people up (Duras, Gowron) but still has enough people run circles around him that a whole trope is named after him.

 

Jennifer Corbet will serve as head writer for the series and wrote the following Resistance Episodes

Rebuilding the Resistance (2020) ... (written by)
- The New World (2020) ... (written by)
- Rendezvous Point (2019) ... (written by)

 

Worf didn't just get run around, he got actively beat up all the time. From random mooks to having his back broken by a barrel.

Vader didn't "lose" any fights he participated in against the Rebels cast. It's not comparable at all and total trope misuse.

Also the BB surviving long enough to have a show has nothing to do with Vader because they were nowhere near him. Vader punishes rebel clones when there in his vicinity or he is ordered to by Palpatine. He doesnt make chasing them his day job because he has more important things to do.

Why the hell would Vader go hunting some clones when he is actively dealing with surviving Jedi? He has far bigger fish to fry

 

I want to see other former Republic Commandos show up.

Maybe see some Imperial Commandos.

If this show lasts more then 1 season, I would love to see so,e flashbacks to the clone wars, such as the unreleased Kashyyyk arc.

 

As someone who watched all of Rebels, our viewpoints are clearly so different we may for practical purposes have been watching different shows. If we can't even agree that Vader lost fights in Rebels I'm not sure how we're going to have any clear points of debate on anything else in SW, including this new show.

I heard the same thing when Rebels premiered. "They won't run circles around Vader" etc. I watched every episode and was horrified. I won't get the time I wasted on Rebels back. So yeah, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... This is why after 3 episodes of Resistance I just gave the whole show a miss.

 

Oh dear I don't think i want to watch these people who bench press GONK droids and eat chicken legs at the same time.

 

Please don't tell me I'm the only one who read the first time (and keep reading) The Bad B*tch.
Now I'm mostly wondering if I will have access to it (we still don't have D+ here) and if I could enjoy it knowing almost nothing about the "new" Clone Wars (Look at my avatar) *CW 2003 Gang Rise Up*.
But yeah, sounds interesting. Filoni working on it is certainly a good sign, though I feel I likely will just wait it a few months after the release and read the Wookieepedia summary.

 

I mean isn't it all perspective at the end of the day ???

 

Well, if that's the standard for Vader not losing, then why is everyone saying that Kylo lost at Crait? (to the point posters on here were saying he was humiliated so badly etc. he wouldn't be taken seriously as a ruler, which was just absurd--real life rulers have made more humiliating mistakes and stayed in power) If anything, Kylo won at Crait because he actually killed his main opponent (even indirectly), Luke Skywalker, while Vader failed to kill any of the heavy hitters in his Rebels fights. When Kanan died, Vader wasn't even there.

 

I hope Delta Squad make some form of cameo in this series- they are the ones responsible for starting the trend of Clone Commandos.

 

As stated, Vader kicked the bejeus out of them repeatedly. They escaped by literally bending the timestream and various Imperial incompetence getting in Vader's way of administering a righteous Sith smackdown. Dumb luck and chance, not by making Vader lesser.

 

Um yeah Luke was the main opponent. Luke Skywalker was said to be the threat in TFA that everyone was looking for right in the opening crawl. And in the very opening scene. Like that's why Kylo killed a village in the very first TFA scene, because they hindered his hunt for Luke. Did everyone forget that in TLJ? And in ROS the FO's downfall was "just people", who weren't even at Crait. Let's say Kylo did wipe everyone out on Crait. Luke would have died anyway as his lightshow would have killed him, but Kylo ignored him and killed Leia, Poe, Finn, etc.

Rey still would have escaped as she was on the Falcon. The plot of ROS would more or less have happened. The thousands of "just people" still would have risen up against Palpatine because he had planet killers. The existence or non-existence of the Crait Resistance makes no difference--those thousands of people didn't even bother to help at Crait, only when Palpatine became a threat to them directly.

Vader's objective was to kill Ahsoka. He failed. Despite Vader being absent in Season 1, Tarkin's objective was to get Kanan to be broken at Vader's castle on Mustafar. That failed. Palpatine was going to break Ezra into giving him the Jedi time machine. That failed too.

In the end, wins/losses amount to "did you kill the heavy hitters?" To claim that Luke wasn't the main opponent is just trying to justify making Kylo's kill look like a loss. It's even worse when one tries to say Luke wasn't the main opponent when literally the opening crawl of the preceding movie said that he was...

Kenobi said he didn't believe in luck. Then ANH ran afterwards with that to show Luke's win at the exhaust port was skill, not luck.

So now luck applies again just to make Ezra's win look lesser?

 

Luck and the will of the Force are the same thing. In case you haven't been paying attention to Star Wars, most of the time luck / the Force ultimately sides with the good guys.

 

I'm sure that makes the people on Alderaan and Kijimi feel better. Maybe Poe tried that line on Zorii "Hey if you haven't been paying attention, luck/the Force sides with the good guys" while she was grieving her home planet. That kind of thinking is why his head nod to her at the end of ROS was so awkward.

Like in the real world, people too wrapped up in "God/the Force is on our side" kind of thinking end up looking very callous and inconsiderate to the many people who end up on the losing end of all that (the type who tell an injured/sick veteran with chronic health issues "God helps those who help themselves" etc.)