ST Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Fan Reviews Here

The gulf between those who think this film is a travesty and those who think it's brilliant will forever baffle me.

 

Watched it again recently — loved it. Easily one of my favorites. And quotable too.

 

Yes.

 

The issue has a couple of aspects to it. First, you have the constant struggle between objectivity and subjectivity. People have a hard time grasping subjectivity and will generally try to present and justify their opinions as objective fact. When you think your opinion is objectively true, that leaves little room for considering an opposing opinion.

Feeding into that, lots of people who dislike the movie seem to have the position that because you can criticize the movie the whole film is 100% trash while those who like it seem to think because you like it you can't admit there are things to criticize.

 

I'm more amused by the discourse than anything else. It's as if both camps have seen completely different films.

 

Lol. I guess “half the fans” hating The Last Jedi has led to it being the top selling Blu-ray of 2018, besting Black Panther and Ragnarok. Quick, Iger, fire Kathleen Kennedy before too many people read this news!

https://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2018

I thought it was just OK, which puts me in the middle of that gulf. A lonely place these days.

 

Watched it again on 4k :

And for the record, I loved The Last Jedi. Bloody loved it.

Luke used the biggest Force power we’ve ever seen in these films, and people complained. Leia used her power and people complained. The film dared to criticize the rich and elevate the powerless and people complained. And so on. I was thrilled by it all, and never once felt that Rian Johnson was subverting expectations ‘for the sake of it’.

Plenty will disagree. Aggressively, I assume.

But I mean, damn, dudes. It’s just a movie!

 

What if I told you that I can feel that gulf even within myself?
There are some aspects that I hate and some others that I love. I really can understand why it's so divisive.

 

it's definitely a film you need to digest. I know a lot of people who were luke warm or didn't like it on the first viewing however after letting it sit and a second viewing it turns out to be their favorite film.

I think expectations had a lot to do with that.

 

I disagree, I think it's divisive no matter how long we think about it, no matter how many times we watch it.
For my experience, I kept loving when Kylo avoid killing Leia and I kept hating the saber tossing from the first view to the latest.

 

Certainly the film considering the fandom as a whole and seemingly to you in particular, but don't think that just because you are conflicted on the movie means everyone is.

 

I'm just refusing this idea that whoever dislikes the movie, it's because either he was expecting something else or he still needs to digest it or he didn't get it.
Some people simply didn't like it.

 

no one said that is the reason why people didn't like or that you just might not have liked it

you are refuting a statement that no one made

 

@Vicarious Fan then I think I misinterpreted your post. Sorry.

 

The more I watch the first battle of TLJ, the more I'm confused about it.
It's cool visually, but in terms of military strategy it doesn't make any sense to me.
It feels both the Resistance and the FO do random things without any actual plan.

 

Well, I finally got around to watching it. I certainly can't say I loved it, but then I wasn't expecting to either. The most I can say for it is that I enjoyed it more than TFA, and I thought it was slightly more ambitious. In fact there were parts that I actually "enjoyed" (though not in the traditional SW sense), but those were mostly limited to the first part island scenes with Luke. Those actually had some style. Everything else, especially the battle scenes, were way too much of a rehash of ALL the previous SW films, especially Empire and Jedi, for me to really got invested in. The effects didn't impress me much, and some to me seemed no better than the early Star Trek TV episodes, sorry. I have seen way better effects even in the OT. This movie could have been so much better, after the TFA disaster, but while more ambitious it still came up short miserably. I could have done without most of the "Imperial" and combat effects shots, and that's coming from someone who actually liked those in the previous (except for TFA) movies.
Mark Hamill was OK, and I have to say I enjoyed his character the most. All the others were more or less expendable, sorry to say, including Leia. She just didn't convince me.
The technology, sorry to say, just didn't convince me. I have seen way better in the prequels, or Avatar, Aliens, Prometheus, even Pearl Harbor. "Repetitive" is mainly what comes to mind. They should have focused way more on Luke and his island and may actually have come up with a decent movie. But all this Jedi rehash just gets boring after 10 minutes of the mediocre uninspired repetitive endless space and ground battles. We have seen all that before, and better! Why have another redundant ground battle on an ice planet featuring AT-ATs??
The performances of course were not even close to those in the prequels! No one in TLJ came even close to Hayden Christensen, McGregor or Natalie Portman, and their roles were not even close to being that intense. Snoke as a villain was a joke, and was not even in the same league as Ian McDiarmid. One exception would be Mark Hamill, as he was the only character who gave a similarly intense performance. Daisy was OK, but she never even came close to Portman, not to mention Driver when compared to Christensen.
Anyway, I somewhat enjoyed this, just never considered it as Star Wars, more like some SF show somehow related to the overall story but never really taking place in the same universe. As such it might even be moderately appreciated. As an official sequel to the saga.... no way!

 

I’m someone who has grown up with Star Wars, and I also find the polarised opinions of TLJ really confusing. I really didn’t go in with any expectations, and had avoided speculation - in fact I found TFA a little unoriginal and wondered where the new trilogy was heading. So let’s forget ‘Star Wars’ for a minute. As a film, did it tell a great story that made sense, did it build upon all the mythology and expand the world I’d loved since 1977? - sadly, just as a movie, the whole plot made very little sense to me. I watched TLJ with my 17 year old son, who enjoys Star Wars but I wouldn’t describe as a hard core fan, although he really enjoyed the clone wars series. We both kept looking at each other throughout the screening, and just couldn’t believe the choices made - the script, the odd decisions made by characters and a lot that just basically - to both of us - made no sense at all, didn’t put a chill up the spine like the reappearance of Vader in R1. We were just shocked. I watched it again in the theatre a few days later to check my reaction - I was in denial to be honest - and still really didn’t enjoy it. My son wasn’t interested in seeing it again. I bought the blu-ray and have only watched a few scenes, I just can’t get my head around anyone who thinks it’s a good movie - let alone a good Star Wars movie. I keep reading this is because I expected certain things from the story and they were ‘overturned by the surprising and amazing direction the story took’. I just expected a decent movie, that made some coherent sense. Seriously, what’s left to cover in the next episode?


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Sometimes when reading these threads I have to stop and remind myself that people are being serious. Takes all kinds, I guess!

Right. And actually, TLJ is not so complicated a film that it's difficult to get. RJ spells out its themes pretty clearly. Sometimes it's far too on the nose, actually. And yeah, while I really appreciate RJ's ambition (and think he's a really good filmmaker, in general), and enjoy chunks of the film, it mostly leaves me feeling a tad exhausted.

 

4/10
Great special effects and pretty visual design, but it's not for I watch movies, Transformers aren't in my type so.
The illogical behavior of characters, flying Leya and worst scenario of all SW movies.
Text from this Asian girl "We don't win by killing our enemy but rescue our people" or something like that.
And this suicide (kamikaze) mission Miss Lieutenant or General? It's so stupid - Why rebels did not destroy Death Stars before with kamikaze attack??
This film offends my intelligence, I had to watch twice because I fell for the first time.

 

I am simply baffled. Most of the movie did not work for me, and I blame that on the script and character choices. I do quite enjoy Mark’s performance and felt a couple of humorous bits worked (Luke’s first lesson and Rey and the Caretakers). Not everything with Luke clicked for me, though I liked that he learned about failure from Yoda.

However, just about everyone fails in ridiculous ways here and some characters and tangents were flat out awful. I still cannot reconcile many choices and storylines, and yet the blu ray is on the way. That boils down to how much I enjoyed Mark in spite of some things Luke does. I know I’ll take the digital and whittle it down to certain things I enjoyed and leave the rest forgotten. It pains me that the writing has yet to capitalize on Oscar, John and Adam’s talents, to say nothing of making Daisy and Kelly moving targets of wrath. There is no way I will blame any of the actors for some things they had to do. I had many issues with Rey in TFA and even more inTLJ, but I am leaving my disgust on the floor. I spat enough in the forums already.

Learning this was a first draft script says so much about all Disney LFL care about now, and I have absolutely zero interest or care to know about the folks that call themselves the ‘story group’.

After all that though, my anger has been largely silenced. I learned watching this I still love Luke, the Jedi and Star Wars, there’s nothing these writers and crew can do which will destroy my love (I thought maybe I am outgrowing it, but no. I understand it is different now, and that little has been done by the writers and PTB to prove that it is more than a money making franchise). Well, I know what I like and am grateful I can still keep this universe deep in my heart and imagination. I generally am selective in what I watch and read from any fandom and that will serve me well here too.

As for Rian, I wasn’t a fan prior to TLJ, and I am not now, but it is no big deal. He hasn’t ruined Luke or the Jedi for me, I just take his vision as a certain point of view that is not my taste.

 

I saw it again last week. I still love it.

I don’t get some of the reactions I read. I saw it, got it and enjoyed it. I let myself get excited, sad, frustrated, upset, and loved each minute. It was an emotional roller coaster, thought provoking and commanded my attention with its complexity.

To me it’s such an emotionally exhausting film that after watching it I need to watch something lighter. Rogue one and ROTS do this too.

I want and need more Star Wars films like TLJ

 

What baffles me even more are people who don't like this but love SW Resistance. That just doesn't compute.

 

Taste.