Solo Stormtroopers in Solo

Perhaps more like this:

 

I think concidering Solo, is a non imperial heavy film, unlike Rogue one.. I think we got a good amount of new Imperial Variations.
Range Trooper, they look really good..
Mimbian Troopers, which look awsome, i know just a very dirty version of stormtrooper with cloak.
Imperial patrol Trooper, looks really good,
Mud Troopers, look good, I just hope that makes it to the Black Series Line..

I just really want the Black Series, to do the Scout Trooper, I know you can get that with the speeder bike, but i want it on its own..
I got my self the Grand Moff Tarkin, and i got Death Star Trooper from wave 16 coming.

 

It seemed to me that they've re-established a part of old EU canon which was that the Imperial Army and the Stormtrooper Corps were different organizations, or at least, not all Imperial soldiers were stormtroopers. I think it was pretty clear that Han and other members of his unit on Mimban were not stormtroopers, and the recruiting officer refers to them as infantry, as opposed to troopers. Has LFL shined any more light on this than what was in the movie?

 

Yeah I remember the old West End Games books detailing Stormtroopers being their own elite divisions while Imperial regular army infantry were something more commonly used. It seemed the Stormies were like the Imperial upper echelon's paramilitaries.

 

They did seem to bring back Imperial Army soldiers, which I liked, and the stormtroopers in the film were overall very incidental--there's a grand total of one that gets shot, I think, and the rest are in the background.

 

I just can't view Stormtroopers as elite troopers lol.

 

Given how 'early' this film seemed to be in the time between Episodes 3-4, I figured that perhaps the Stormtrooper concept wasn't quite in place just yet (where seemingly all infantry would wear white armor). This line of thinking goes with the opening notes about a criminal-infested galaxy (which sorta screamed to me that perhaps the Empire's grip on all of the worlds wasn't so strong just yet, or had weakened a little bit already).

 

I could be wrong on this but I believe that stormtroopers were centrally trained at Carida while Imperial Army soldiers were locally raised from all over the galaxy. Stormtroopers were also inducted into the Cult of the Emperor, which I don't exactly know what that was, but they were thought to be more loyal and willing to carry out atrocities. Regardless, I think it's cool that LFL is willing to show different aspects of the Empire, I just hope they have it all planned out. Like are they going to bring in COMPNOR too? Those kinds of world building can't just be improvised movie to movie.

 

I do wonder when they will finally run out of stormtrooper variants

 

Yeah I agree they can't hit the brand side of a barn. But, when I was four they seemed threatening enough.

@Glitterstimm , I hope in these Imperial-era movies they add more sophistication, complexity and nuance to the Empire.

 

I was sad we only got to see the patrol trooper in a brief single scene. I found him fascinating. The idea of the Empire at war, or cooperating with, the crime syndicates... that could be it's own movie. Maybe Boba's film?

 

According to the databank on Mudtroopers (https://www.starwars.com/databank/mudtroopers), the Imperial Army's infantry is being phased out in favor of Stormtroopers.

 

Did I see right... Was there a black Mudtrooper? (a guy - not Val)

 

I agree with your last sentence, and like the way they set up the status of the Empire vs. criminal organizations. I think it gives a much-needed subtlety to rise of the Empire. We have seen always seen them going on and on about "bringing order to the galaxy" and then murdering a bunch of civilians who just want self-determination. We cheer for the Rebel Alliance, yet wonder how the evil Empire was ever allowed to gain such a hold on the populace. Then, this film comes around and we see an organized crime leader kill a regional governor. We see a young rebel who's as interested in fighting Crimson Dawn as she is in fighting the Empire. When we place the Empire into the context of a galaxy that actually needs order brought to it, I think the main conflict of Star Wars makes so much more sense. Why seemingly good people might join up with the Empire... why all the civilians don't actively revolt earlier... etc. It's a world of organized evil AND chaotic evil, and there aren't many good choices for those caught in between.

 

While I like the idea that there were different infrantry troops, separate from the stormtroopers, I don’t really know how to reconcile that with the Clone Troopers of the prequel era. Based on that retcon, we know the overall design of the Stormtroopers come from the Ep. III Clones — so how and why (I don’t expect anyone to able to answer this) there would have been this separate group of troopers that don’t follow that already established design.

To be clear, I love the mudtrooper design — I especially like that the helmet section and chest piece seem to match the armor that Gen. Veers wears during yhe Battle of Hoth. I really like the idea that the mudtrooper design could be prototype to the stormtroopers, but again, that doesn’t really work with the Clones...

 

Actually, it all comes together fairly well in the end.

1. In the new canon, most of the clones were retired sometime after the Clone Wars. In the old EU, they continued to serve while being gradually replaced with new recruits. This sort of explains more of how the new canon changes went down. I still believe at least a small number of aging clones (particularly in the elite 501st) would have served right up to the OT, but the difference now is in the number of remaining units serving. Most were retired within the first 5 years (by the time of Tarkin, 1 year before Solo's/Rogue One's intro). But how did they fill that gap? Gradually over 20 years.

2. In already occupied or Imperial loyal planets, local militias were used to fill the gaps while still being supplemented by the much more elite (and limited) stormtrooper corps, which would be a combination of newly trained Imperial academy recruits, a small number of old clones, and perhaps the best of the local forces having been upgraded to Stormtrooper status. This is where the Infantry Troops fit into place. Naturally, relying on these forces in the long term would cause... problems... especially if they begin to, how shall I say this? Rebel.

3. In order to combat this risky tendency for forming a rebellion, the stormtrooper corps grew exponentially. Clones were replaced until all but a small minority remained (if any), stormtroopers became mainstray by the time of Rebels, and the Galaxy was effectively nearly entirely under Imperial occupation. Many Infantry troops were retired by this time, but I'm sure some eventually tapped in to that Rebellions tendency we spoke of earlier.

This is what I love most about worldbuilding. Not everything is a contradiction, merely an expansion of new information to give us a better perspective. This is exactly how real world history is researched and documented.

 

The Ranger Troopers were cool. I'm waiting for a film that brings the Dark Trooper in my avatar to the big screen...

 

Was super pleased that they reintroduced the Imperial Army as the conscripted cannon fodder, showing how the Empire was often content to just throw the poor grunts at the enemy with little training and cheap equipment. The Stormtroopers are the more mobile marine units attached to the Navy, with excellent equipment and training, and heavy indoctrination.

 

I think the expansion of Stormtrooper ranks has been handled rather well. The regular white armour troops are commonplace. It’s therefore not a surprise we saw them so often during the CT. It follows the tradition of Endor – scout troopers were only seen in this location, we didn’t see them anywhere else. So if ROTJ didn’t feature Endor, chances are high we wouldn’t have known about them. This logic can also apply to other planets, which require specialist troops.

 

"Hey dad...I found your old Mudtrooper helmet. Like what I did to it?"

 

There is really no point at all for these trooper variants other than the vain attempt to sell new tropper action figures. Patrol (as others have noted) is just a Scout Trooper with a new helmet. The range and mud troopers have pointless style over substance add-ons (why fur when you have thermal regulating armor (aka Snowtroopers) and a cloak is pointless stylistics when virtually any of the trooper variants would not need to have rain kept off of them.

 

Uhuh.

Because Lucasfilm has never made something to sell toys before.

 

And how's that working out? Pro tip: they're rotting on the shelves. Video after video has been done documenting the fact that merch ain't moving. Fans who don't like the film aren't buying the merch.

 

Ah, OK. This isn't really about the stormtroopers, is it? It's the fact that you don't like the movie, and need to find new outlets to express that. We do have a thread for that.

 

Mudtroopers are supposed to be members of local planetary forces who took up arms during the Clone Wars and have since been conscripted into Imperial service. They're the regular infantry that is slowly supposed to be getting upgraded and replaced in favor of Stormtroopers.