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Lit "Superman" Luke of the EU

Discussion in 'Literature' started by DarthPhilosopher, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Too bad Luke doesn't use the shadow-moth metaphor
     
  2. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Movie villains do this (waver back and forth on killing heroes). In X-Men 3: The Last Stand, Magneto says his greatest regret was that Xavier had to die for his dream to live. No mention on how he ordered Mystique to sabotage Cerebro to kill Xavier in 1, or that he left Xavier to die (after the dam will explode) in Dark Cerebro in 2.

    It is a bit of an inconsistency with Kylo regardless.
     
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  3. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This is a Superman thread not an X-Men thread.
     
  4. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    as far as the audience knows, Kylo believes Leia is dead after the bridge on the Raddus is destroyed

    there's never a scene in which he is shown aware of her survival
     
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  5. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    One would think his Force sensitivity would tell him.

    The thing why a Superman analogy of Luke doesn't quite work is because his enemies are Force users also. Any "kryptonite" used against Luke like ysalamiri would also be used against Kylo.

    Kryptonite works against Superman because most of his enemies are non-Kryptonian. General Zod won't be using it against Superman though.
     
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  6. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Dude this thread was about Luke's morality and characterization, not his powers. It's literally in the first two sentences of the OP.
     
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  7. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Kylo's been shown to be oblivious about things in the past. He's hyperfocused on whatever issues he's facing in the moment that he never seems able to reach out in the force in any way that isn't aggressive.
     
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  8. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Except in Episode III, Anakin drops in the elevator behind Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan still draws on him. It's not a passive thing, and if he thinks she's dead, he's not sensing for her. And the audience isn't shown his awareness so there's no reason to assume it, especially when there's a character shift. Instead of bitching about it being inconsistent, notice the shift occurs when he believes Leia is dead. You might actually enjoy the film!

    uhh

     
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  9. nancipants

    nancipants Jedi Knight star 2

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    I don't necessarily agree (I think he knows she's alive), but for the sake of argument, he doesn't seem that remorseful about her being dead.

    Also: "I'll destroy her, and you, and all of it." Those are not the words of some misunderstood boy.
     
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  10. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah it's been 6 pages since the OP, so I forgot
     
  11. Xander Vos

    Xander Vos Jedi Master star 4

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    But Mark Hammill fundamentally disagreed with the direction RJ took the character and personally identified more with the Luke from the EU?
     
  12. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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  13. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I doubt many of the actors know or care much about the EU.

    Thinking of Trek though-I do recall reading an interview of Nicole de Boer(Ezri Dax) where she said David Mack had given her some Trek novels with her face on the cover. Which was interesting.
     
  14. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    Well he's not even dark in TLJ (except for like 2 seconds)... so completely different.
     
  15. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He tried to kill his student while he was sleeping because he sensed darkness in him. Late Legends "I look forward to running him down" Luke "redemption is for those who deserve it" Skywalker didn't abrogate his moral responsibilities this badly.

    Canon Luke is a moral failure and an utter ruin of the main OT character.
     
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  16. Ghost

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    He didn't try.

    He chose "do not" and (didn't) act.
     
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  17. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    Tired to kill his student... is reallllllllly stretching what happened.

    He literally sees himself as a failure for second of darkness. While in the EU, apparently he dabbles in it often.
     
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  18. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    In Legacy of the Force I seem to recall Luke murdering someone for a crime that person did not commit

    he's a lot worse

    seriously that should end the comparison
     
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  19. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Lumiya accepted responsibility for the crime and lured Luke into the engagement to buy Jacen time. Why would he know it wasn't Lumiya at the time?
     
  20. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    doesn't matter.. he murdered her after she was disarmed

    same as Anakin killing Dooku

    but in the Legacy novels, the Jedi are given that sort of leeway to arbitrarily murder criminals, and what Anakin did was fine!
     
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  21. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    She claimed to have killed his wife his beloved Mara. He was bloodlusted and angry-legimately so.

    And even then he acknowledged he was in error.

    And it's not as if Lumiya would have surrendered under any circumstances-she intended to die that day on Terephon.
     
  22. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    oh you mean like Luke in TLJ (who didn't even do anything!)

    sorry this whole thing is so silly

    Luke was an awful person in those novels and Luke in TLJ doesn't even compare, let's stop pretending he's nearly as bad
     
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  23. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes he's an awful person driven to do bad things. But the context in which he becomes an awful person is far more understandable, realistic, and dare I say it compelling than whatever happened in canon.

    In canon Luke tries to kill his student who hasn't done anything wrong that we know of and just because he senses darkness in him. Luke's actions in LOTF are utterly justifiable in comparison.
     
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  24. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Luke doesn't try to do anything dude

    he instinctively turns his lightsaber on and then Ben wakes up before he can turn it off

    keep spinning it however you want, but Luke is worse than Anakin was in killing Dooku in the EU, because at least Anakin was merely a knight and not a master who should know better

    Obi-Wan went through the same experience and he didn't break like Luke
     
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  25. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Kind of like what happened in TLJ?
     
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