SWC SWC Jedi Draft/Starfighter Draft Discussion Thread: Now discussing other draft ideas!

Vindican and Kao Cen Darach could use adding to that list for next time.

 

5- Character splits seem fine as they are now.
4- Keep the Ones out of the game, if Marek is too powerful then these guys have no business being here.
3 & 2 - I would suggest that preps allow characters to utilize equipment beyond lightsabers or whips, but only stuff they would normally use (ie blasters for Luke or Katarn, but not things that a character wouldn't generally consider using in a book or comics). Armors should be allowed if a character would generally wear it regardless if prepared or not (ie Krayt wears armor as a Sith Lord, it is hard to judge him without it).

 

i think make the split characters into choices, you can pick one or the other, but don't have both of them. it just causes too many headaches in my personal opinion.

the ones/abeloth are a big, fat no to me. just no. abeloth alone took HOW many people to beat? not to mention we really have no clue what the peak of the ones is. anakin may have beaten them, but that was certainly not at peak by any stretch of the imagination.

i'd say that the likes of kyle and jade should get their goodies with prep. i also think that prep should include what the character is known to have. so standard, you have your lightsaber/lightsaber/lightwhip/whatever your "standard" weapon is, but with prep you get anything that is known to be in the possession of the character.

as for galen marek... again, just no. he's nothing but a video game character designed to be stupidly powerful. i've never liked him in these because who beats him? he basically beat the emperor and vader one right after the other, and then you have the whole other kettle of fish that we used to have with revan before the book. which is he, light or dark? i don't like him, and i don't think he really had a place in this because what he was capable of doing was just stupidly overpowered, and no one else in the SWs universe really has anything comparable to him in a lot of ways. i.e. he really just doesn't fit inside the universe, and was basically just a gimmick. also figuring out a baseline for how powerful he is? way too painful. this also makes rahm kota somewhat difficult as well... given that we can't really know how powerful he is, since we really don't have a baseline on marek very well. my personal opinion is that TFU and TFU2 are just expunged from the draft completely.

 

5. I generally agree with Mika here. Splits didn't seem like a problem to me, and it allows fun things like Anakin vs. Vader.

4. I...dislike the Ones, a lot. They exist basically as the nearest equivalent the Force gets to a physical form. Seems rather like asking a character to fight the Force itself (if one considers that their peak) to me, so I don't think they should be included. As Trim pointed out on Abeloth, 'she' is also far too powerful.

3/2. I think prep should give them any extra weapons they may happen to use. Luke could bring a Shoto to a match with Lumiya, Kyle/Jaden could bring loads and loads of weaponry, so on and so forth. On the subject of those two actually...I think, if they have one specific thing they normally have outside the standard 'one lightsaber' they should have that too. Kyle would have his pistol, while Jaden is said to have his first lightsaber on him (after it was recovered) at all times, even if he only typically uses his second one. Granted I may be biased there

1. I'll need to think some on Galen.

 

For weaponry, I propose the following solution:

The use of prep time can be used to EITHER study the opponent or amass regularly used weapons other than the standard lightsaber/whip.

And, I'm good with combining all split characters into a choose either/or, except AnaVader. You need to have both of them available.

 

I don't see why a person can't both study an opponent and gather weapons they would normally use, doesn't seem to be an either or situation.

 

me either. it's not like studying a file they'd get on someone (or really looking them up) would take a huge amount of time. and if it's weapons they normally have on them... why would they have to gather them exactly?

 

I just like it as an option for additional strategy and variety.

 

1- I'm ok with Marek being in, we have the TFU novelization for more "concrete" depictions of his feats (so it's not all in that nebulous "game mechanics" category). Yes, he is pretty strong, but is adding him any worse than Vitiate or Plagueis?
2- I think they should get some additional weapons, though not hyperspace arsenal amounts. For Kyle, say blaster or two, few grenades, maybe mines?
4- No

List edits: "Exile" to "Meetra Surik", remove "Ze" (it's a copy/paste error from Zez-kai ell), remove "Zannah" (Darth Zannah already exists).

Here's a list of the people picked in the 10th round and picked and/or dropped in FA just for a reference of where we were power-wise

Spoiler

10th
Zayne Carrick

Cin Drallig

Darrus Jeht

Kira Carsen

Tsui Choi

Eeth Koth

Gavar Khai

Lord Kaan

Olaris Rhea

Serra Kato

Jax Pavan

Zekk



FA

Freedon Naad

Darth Jadus

Darth Andeddu

Adi Gallia

Yarael Poof

Oppo Rancisis

Kerra Holt

Odion



Dropped FA

Viun Gaalan

Sarasu Taalon

Olaris Rhea

Kerra Holt

Darth Talon

Eeth Koth

Kira Carsen

Darth Jadus

 

Hey guys. I'd love to join the draft next time around. I've been trolling this thread for years. Would you guys mind if I gave my opinion on your topics?

 

Anyone who has an opinion is welcome to give it I believe. Besides, the more opinions we have the better I would think.

 

Thanks guys.

1. In terms of Galen Marek, if there is a movement to get him into the game, you could vote to a set of realistic base of powers that reflect what he was at the time of the TFU. He was Vader's apprentice and may have been close to his Master in terms of Force ability and lightsabre skills. (Although I don't agree with that myself, he shouldn't have been close to Vader let alone Darth Sidious) I'd compare him to Darth Maul perhaps?

2. Kyle should have his blaster included at all times as he carried it everywhere IMO. Give it to Jaden prepped. I don't think they should get many weapons though because realistically you can carry all that gear like multiple blaster rifles.

4. Since I am not a fan of TCW, so my opinion is biased, I wouldn't include them.

5. Split them, Darth Caedus wasn't the same person as Jacen Solo and Anakin vs. Vader would be a great match up!

 

so i have a slightly off the wall suggestion. it's somewhat similar to what we did in the comics draft this past time. why don't we depower the list slightly? i'm mainly thinking of the people that you basically can't argue anyone over, sidious and luke. they're auto wins no matter what they come up against. galen marek falls into this as well, between those three who beats them exactly? list people you can think of that you MIGHT have an off chance of arguing over them, and realize that probably no one would vote against them. it's kind of silly having people that can single handedly not only win any match they're going to come up against (and force help us if we have to deal with luke vs sids... if we're including dark empire sids i'd have to go with that pretty easily sadly) but are also singlehandedly team wreckers of the highest order. they basically break things, unless you have a perfect team to go up against them. or you have an absolute craptastic team around them, neither of which happens very frequently. and if you have what mika put together this past draft, well no one's beating that. as soon as i saw his top four way back in the drafting phase i knew he'd one the whole thing, and that it was basically pointless to go through with the enter draft. they're fun characters... that just suck all the fun out of this to me. if you don't get one of those top two picks, you're stuck with the second cut. and everyone of those characters that you take after them you can argue one over the other.

i almost think vitiate should be included in this duo/trio because he seems like sids light after last draft, where about the only legit person you could put over him is luke or sids (or galen if he's in it). people like that just make this boring and unfun, and if you manage to get two of them on your team well... tis just kind of over.

i also wouldn't be opposed to completely excising the first round, just to make things more interesting. and anyone that's of the appropriate power levels to be considered first round material. but that might be a little extreme since this doesn't have the vast amounts of viable characters that the comic draft does. and there are some pretty awesome characters we'd have to get rid of to do that as well. but i am completely for getting rid of those three/four i mentioned above.

anyway, thoughts on this everyone?

 

Part of me is inclined to agree with Trim. We saw that a very well constructed team (Orange Box) was able to beat a Luke-lead team (Whitey's) this time, but that was only because Whitey's team was...a bit lackluster aside from Luke. And Skywalker still required both Revan and the Exile to take him down.

Sids is arguably even worse, since a team battle gives him prep which means you aren't taking him down unless you have Luke. You can look at my team in that regard...way back in the first round I might have had a chance against Mika's team, outside of Sids/Sithperor. Those two alone would have wrecked my team though, and there is something depressing about putting together a good (or decent) team just for one (or two) enemies to be team-wreckers that destroy it.

Just my opinion though.

 

I really got lucky with some underrated picks and a sweet trade. Not sure if anyone would get Vitriate and Sids on the same team again, though it could happen. If anything, just remove first round picks. I don't like the idea of it though, but wouldn't be hurt if it happened regardless.

 

the thing of it is, most of the first rounders are fairly even. depending on the judge, any of them can really beat any of them. sids, vitiate, and luke... beat everyone at this point. they're really the only problems in my eyes. i mean, it's kinda like the first round of the SFD. you have your top flight five, then everyone else. but that top five, anyone can beat anyone. which really, it's a good thing in a lot of ways. it influences how you take your team a ton, which a first round pick is supposed to do. it's your anchor, and ends up being the fights we enjoy discussing the most. i don't want to lose that.

 

^That. As much as I like Luke, it might not be a bad idea to take just him, Sids, and maybe Vitiate out, if only to balance things somewhat on the top-end. Obi-Wan, Anakin, Vader, Revan...any of them could be, convincingly, argued over each other. By the same token, none of them can touch Luke, Sids or (maybe) Vitiate. That's what I think Trim is getting at.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, who's the next best after Luke/Sids? Yoda? Mace? And we already know neither of them will win a fight there, since Yoda lost to Sids, and Mace can be argued up and down, and that's discounting later stuff Sids got up to, like Dark Empire.

 

sounds good to me.

 

That does sound like it would work.

It will feel odd seeing the first pick not be Luke or Sids though

 

somehow, i don't think that's a bad thing.

 

Oh I'm not saying it is, just that it would look odd. I actually like the strategy this brings in to play (do you pick Obi-Wan who can outlast most fighters thanks to his Soresu mastery, or do you pick Bane who can batter them apart with pure power?), as opposed to just picking Luke first and everyone else second.

 

Just want to say, as a past Champion & Judge, glad to see the draft still going.

And I dont know how much weight my vote has, but I would be against splitting characters, as it makes for more challenging team building.