TV Discussion SWTV Diversity Thread (Minor Spoilers Allowed)

Maybe. Nothing we can do about it now. Disney probably ran it by several focus groups. This show and Mando they really want to succeed. And it will.

 

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Wait, people are complaining about Bad Batch whitewashing? How? I haven’t once thought that any of the clones, including Omega, look anything other than Maori. I’d know cause I live in Auckland. I see Maoris every day lol.

They’ve done a marvellous job, both in looks and voice.

 

Yea I knew I was missing some. My point still stands that until relatively recently it was basically just white people. It’s starting to even out

 

People invent all kinds of things to complain.

 

Frankly, I am utterly amazed and shocked that this whole debacle is a legitimate concern that a portion of the viewers have. The main cast is a group of clones for crying out loud, of course they're gonna look the same! Not to mention that the entire first episode takes place either during night time where we can't really see their faces, or in the Kamino halls where everything is brightly lit up by white lights...

I do not mind more inclusivity in Star Wars (though one wonders why having a few million different alien species is not enough..), but complaining about the skin colors of clone troopers is mind-boggling.

 

Alright, fair enough, but I still question this criticism. Hunter and co. don't look exactly like Jango because they're defective, and we've seen with the likes of 99 that defective clones look different. Heck, 99 had pinkish skin if I remember right. And Echo looks different because he was hooked up to tubes and machines for the past few years in a capsule, with no food or sunlight.

As for Omega; don't quote me on this, but didn't the young clones had a similar skin tone to hers? Could be age-related.

 

Maybe? She does look more pale. Although it’s hard to tell.

My point is I do think it’s important that the clones look like Morrison. As I said for a long time the clones and Jango were the biggest characters and most well known to be played by a Maori.

 

whitewashing is an important issue that deserves attention, it’s an issue that occurs all to often in animation, so yeah it’s a valid concern that I’m glad is being given attention, it’s not just people inventing things to complain about.

and it’s not just the clones, young Kanan is also quite pale

like Todd said, representation matters, so it’s important to get these things correct

 

What verdict? Even on the banner on this very page, Omega's skin is clearly not very white, it has a darker tone.
Also, there are light skinned Maori. There shouldn't be a verdict, because there shouldn't be an issue.
And she totally looks 100% like she could be Jango's daughter btw.

 

I don’t know that skin color looks white. Compare it to Anakin who we know is 100% white and looks white even in TCW.

 

It's a fair criticism. If Lucasfilm choose to act on it is up to them, but to get angry that anyone dare criticise an animated show produced by a multi-billion dollar company is ridiculous. Representation is an important issue to many people, and it's not really fair to dismiss it as a trivial concern.

It's something for Lucasfilm to be aware of and work on, not an indictment on The Bad Batch as a whole.

 

I don’t blame anyone on the team and I doubt they did it intentionally, but it’s something for them to consider. That’s really it.

 

No, but neither does Omega.

Even so, I have seen many stills and photos of Omega, and I watched the 2 episodes myself. It is 100% believable that she could share genetic material with Jango. Nothing strikes out as weird, that's a stretch.

No one got angry, well at least not I, can't say the same about you after you insist.
I am totally fine with criticism btw. I just don't like negativity and unwarranted criticism, where there should be none.
In my opinion, this should not have been an issue to begin with. We can agree to disagree.
Why do 2 of you keep insisting that representation is an important issue? Who said that it isn't?

 

Think about it this way. If she wasn't a Clone of Fett, how else would Tech have known she was a Clone?

 

That picture of Morrison looks light-skinned to me, but skin tone is relative. I am half Black, have a similar skin tone to him, and am considered by many Black people to be light(er)-skinned. Different communities will judge these things differently, I suppose. Standing next to my dad I would be considered darker-skinned, but on the spectrum of human skin colors, I am probably closer to the "middle" (light but not pale/tan/brown-ish). The conversations gets even more nuanced when you bring in the concept of undertones.

They [Disney] may have a slight out as it pertains to Omega's skin color--- as though she could have easily been depicted with a darker skin tone, her skin could possibly darken a bit now that she does not live under a cloudy sky 24/7.

All that said, any criticism of this product is fair game as far as I am concerned; especially in a thread which was created to house those critiques. Disney will be just fine.

 

As I said it’s something they are already looking into. It’s sometimes hard to animate race. Sure it doesn’t matter for the characters since it’s not like the race of the clones has ever came up story wise. But I think it’s important it stays consistent. Depiction is important

 

Maybe we should use color picking just to see if it's whitewashing or not.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

We need more indigenous actors in the series. We already have two Maori live actors in the entire Saga and that's about it (namely Temura Morrison and the person who played the young Boba Fett in AOTC). Why not bring in Wes Studi? And Adam Beach is supposed to be pretty good.

 

Why?

 

I'm here. Appreciate your lovely remarks as always. So far, there is no LFL show lead by an Asian actor. It takes a fraction lf a second to think who is the lead of TBOBB.

We can also discuss the amount of Asian actors in the ST if you want, or in High Republic.

We can also discuss how many roles in Hollywood that traditionally have been played by white actors or actresses are exclusively changed to black actors. Superman, little mermaid...

It took me a fraction of a second to think abour these examples.