Gaming "Thank the (Mario) Maker!": Super Mario Maker Discussion & Level Sharing

But it would rain enough to last a lifetime.

 

Pretty much- if not for a (presumed) limit to the number of levels you can save at once, you could even bypass the need for an online subscription after an initial month of downloads.

 

They still might- they clearly haven't shown us everything about the game yet (looking at you, probably-SMB2-theme-empty-slot). A couple quick feature reveals as part of their E3 Direct or as a Treehouse announcement wouldn't be out of place.

 

We won't be able to import Wii U or 3DS levels.

Dammit.

 

The first game had a few example stages through codes included in the booklet that came with the game. Additionally there were spotlight challenge stages from Nintendo periodically online (often tied to a celebrity thing or an amiibo costume) and those stuck around so you could always run through any you missed.

This new game adds a full story mode, however (likely because, unlike with Wii U, you have to pay for Switch online service and they want to ensure the game has playable value offline out of the box beyond the levels you create).

Yeah, the rep claims cited in that article say that "the extensive list of new items and features was a major reason why the two games are incompatible with one another."

But it just seems weird that you couldn't take a level using the items that they both share and only enable the new stuff after it's downloaded. Unless the issue is really with getting the SMM2 online functionality to be compatible with the SMM1 online system in order to access the levels to begin with. There were issues with the 3DS accessing levels from the Wii U I think, but I always figured that was more hardware/technical limitations.

 

With the way they handled save data and such I kinda doubt they'd have gone an SD card route to import data off of (I could see that making it too easy to hack the game). I think they actually underestimated the community since they eventually made that separate site later on to better handle/search the level content being made.

 

Yeah, I'm very likely to make this one a digital purchase since there doesn't seem to be any kind of collector's edition and I think it's one of those games I'll want to have on me at all times. I'm eying that $100 for two game vouchers deal to use one of on this, but not sure if I can justify paying for a second game right now that I probably wouldn't play for a very long time (plus i'm not sure what 1st party game I'd really want at this point since I want to buy Odyssey and BOTW as physical copies. Maybe Splatoon 2 but I kinda see that as a physical purchase also).

Either way, I may just end up getting SMM2 right away and save my money for the inevitable E3 eShop deals...

 

Given the MP4 "starting over" delay was only a few months ago, I doubt we'll get anything from that project this year, or even next. A Prime Trilogy rerelease/remaster seems possible- I think most people were pretty much expecting it to hit this year as a prelude to MP4 next year, but it was held off when MP4 was delayed. Still, they might use it to plug the release hole in the schedule now.

But a Samus costume for SMM2 seems almost certain in some form or another.

 

Yeah, that's a little unfortunate but then I guess we didn't have any multiplayer last time, let alone online multiplayer, so it's at least a step in the right direction. And at least you'll still have local co-op. I'm not sure I understand the reasoning, though:

"...with global leaderboards, the matchmaking for competitive play would be compromised if you could play with friends. That limitation also extends to co-op play, as well, despite those [modes] not being leaderboard driven."
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So is it saying people would have an unfair advantage in the rankings if matched with friends?

 

I can only think that they want to focus on keeping people connected in the same region rather than friends cross-region to reduce network stress- I seem to recall them doing something like that for another game, but you still had the option to use friends instead.

 

They did go over that in the Direct briefly- the New Super Mario Bros theme won't delete if you switch to any of the other original ones. It's the Super Mario 3D World theme with the cats that is its own separate thing that cannot palette swap. That's why it's separated with a divider below the others. The empty space next to it suggests we can probab;y look forward to other non-swappable palette themes with unique gameplay features, like SMB2.

Also, double-dammit! No amiibo support in SMM2 (at least at launch). That's a real shame. It was a fun way to unlock costumes in place of the 100 Mario Challenge. the different 8-bit costumes of the characters were neat to see.

 

Thanks for taking a look at them. I definitely need to update/recreate some of these when SMM2 comes out. Noki Bay in particular would benefit from red coins and locked doors (as far as the underwater section goes). But I can see places where they can be made better (Block Blockers is almost perfect, but I want to fine tune one section in the middle still).

My levels were probably a little too tricky at parts- but some of them were meant to be. Crypt shouldn't be too impossible once you get past the initial obstacles. Noki Bay's hardest part is probably in the middle before you get to the boss. Goomba Gauntlet has a couple tricky exploration branches but the critical path can become relatively easy after enough tries.

Skygates gets harder as it goes along. I'll probably shorten that one up a bit. Fatal Factory can be tough, depending on if you don't get too distracted by side adventures,