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Amph The 2025 Box Office Blood Galaxy

Discussion in 'Community' started by The2ndQuest , Dec 29, 2024.

  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Even with a "smaller" population, I don't see that working unless your area doesn't regularly have the same event film on multiple screens. My first theater (now a Dine-In) was 7, and that was terribly limited in selection even before it became common practice elsewhere to have event films on 3+ screens. I recall they even had to rig up some uncommon technique for ANH:SE so that they could run two auditoriums (their two biggest) off of one print of the movie when it became a surprise break-out opening night (and that film came out in January, mind you).

    My second theater opened back for TPM and has 12 screens. That actually manages a pretty good balance of titles even though it often has to juggle showtimes. Though attendance can swing wildly given that there are so many options in the area. Still, that gives them room to run a couple films on at least 2-3 screens and still have room for other "top 10 not just top 5" films.

    My current main theater has 18, but that includes an IMAX and a Dolby Cinema screen too. So more like 16 for comparison. That allows them to do things like Ghiblifest, Fathom Events, Oscar marathons, etc on top of "top 10 not just top 5" releases. But that one is serving a major highway, in a large, college-focused city. But it draws the crowds and families depending on your showtime.

    And all of those are doing that despite smaller towns having another 2-3 theater options within the same driving distance. And while central NJ is an active place in a high population state, it's not exactly anything crazy like the major theater cities in NYC, Orlando, Chiacgo, or LA, etc. More rural or sparsely suburban areas would be a different situation- but they're also probably not holding down multi-screen blockbusters as a common practice to begin with and/or have had to drive 45+ min to get to a theater already.

    I mean, just as an example, let's look at May 2025: For Memorial Day weekend, you're going to have both Thunderbolts and MI8 in theaters as the heavy hitters for the mainstream and adult audiences (with the former in its 4th week, and the latter opening in its 1st), in addition to Lilo & Stitch likely dominating the family and kid demos for its 1st week. Final Destination will be in its 2nd week for horror fans.

    Thunderbolts will likely still be holding down 1-2 screens in most places. It'll have most of its run already but taking on whatever legs it can from the holiday weekend. MI8 will be holding down at least 3-4 (especially if a location has Dolby, IMAX or other PLF screens). Stitch will also have at least 3-4. FD will get 1 screen. That's already 8 screens on the low-end. Even if you shave another one off the Lilo and MI8 counts, that's 6 screens. But you want room for counterprogramming (a theater needs to be showing more than just 4 films).

    That's where the mid/late April films (and/or any smaller May releases) fill in the smaller auditoriums and provide selection: The Accountant 2, Pride & Prejudice, and Sinners could all easily still take a screen (even if they're sharing one). And with the lack of kids films outside of Stitch, its conceivable that even Minecraft could still be playing for a showtime or two (but understandably not everywhere). And that's not yet factoring in end-of-May releases like Karate Kid Legends likely taking 1-2 screens the following week.

    Yeah, smaller locations make due- but usually because the chain is anchoring it with another location (ie: "Yes, we only have these 6 here for convenience, but we have these and 8 more 30 min away").
     
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  2. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    Thunderbolts and MI are going to be such a 1-2 punch of mediocrity May may end up being permanently foreclosed as a month for tentpole releases. movie theaters no longer work unless the kiddos are out of school.
     
  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    We'll see. Last May fell apart because it had no kick-off event film to anchor the season with- Fall Guy was never going to be a suitable replacement draw for a Marvel film. With triple AAA heavy hitters, this May will be very different in terms of line-up. If they don't perform, then your theory about May may pan out.
     
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  4. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I am guessing Mission Impossible will continue its Fast like trend where North America is like a third of its total gross
     
  5. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The BO numbers are horrendous this year and i wonder how much the LA fires early in the year are affecting it. After all it's the second biggest movie market in the US. And i wonder if people there are really in the mood to go to theaters after all.
     
  6. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think that’s just one of several factors impacting the current movie climate.
     
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  7. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Sadly, you can expect California wildfires to be a factor each year (though hopefully not as big as those in 2024), and big disasters are always hitting different areas in the country and world. Unlike a huge global event like COVID that really changes everything, those kinds of things should be assumed to affect movie ticket sales each year.
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The LA fires were a far more direct impact upon the city/region (and, by extension, its ticket sales), not just the typical annual wildfire that hit single areas. They really did strike down a core box office source in a way that we haven't seen before (at least not since the earthquake in the 90's). People are still displaced (and have so many more important financial concerns now that going to the movies isn't going to be on the docket) and so many homes/businesses won't be rebuilt for some time. Not to mention the direct loss of several theaters (to say nothing of those that suffered damage) and neighborhoods supporting numerous others.

    While we'll no doubt see some bounce-back, this is not something comparable to annual weather disasters. Even when NYC was hit with the flooding a few years back, the impact was only a few days to a few weeks before the affected areas were back up and running. This will take months to years to recover from (as far as box office is concerned- obviously the actual towns will take much longer).
     
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  9. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Couldn't agree more.
    Also,with the world on fire on the outside, who really would feel comfortable to be locked inside some room for 2 or more hours ?
     
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  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, the fires are out now. So unless you're being politically metaphorical (or even if you are!), that actually actually might be a fine escape for folks ;).
     
  11. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    Observation: You would say that you're...a pessimistic person, right? I am, on the other hand, not at all. I'm pretty sunny, happy/go lucky in general. Second observation: You go to the movie theaters on a semi-regular basis, yet, I stopped going entirely almost a year ago (May 2024 was the last time), I used to go on a weekly basis and even did double features pre-pandemic

    I don't know what this means. I don't know what any of this means

    Was your burger tasty?
     
  12. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    it was a decent burger. I liked the movie.

    But the big question. Where are the Snow White reviews going to land and how many people will go see it this weekend? Is it going to be a reasonably good movie killed by stupid American politics at the U.S. box office? Or will it be as bad on the merits as the trailers make it out to be and thus be doubly cursed at the box office.

    Maybe the movie will be so enchanting that people forget why they were already angry at it?

    Anyway it will be a lot of fun to find out. It only cost $210 million to make, so it's no Electric State. I assume marketing costs add at least another $100 million to that. Let's assume it needs $600 million to really turn a profit in theaters, and $450 million or more to position itself to eke out a long term profit post theater.
     
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  13. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    Heaven help Disney if Snow White isn't #1 this weekend with the current state of the box office.

    First weekend of NCAA Tourney is going to dent predictions up front.

    Still, there may be enough non-sports people to drag it to number 1.

    Might be a pathetic cash take...but they will advertise that #1 next week like it was an Oscar win.
     
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  14. Guidman

    Guidman Skywalker Saga Mod and Trivia Host star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    From all signs, Disney just wants to get this film in the rear view and focus on Lilo & Stich.
     
  15. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Earlier projections had it at a $65m opening, but that seemed low for the target audience it's going for. $100m seems optimistic, though. I do think it'll have legs though- the only kids competition it has until Lilo & Stitch come out is Minecraft. And it remains to be seen if Minecraft will eat into the same demo, be a Mario-like hit, or a front-loaded, Freddy-like fizzle. Easter being late this year also throws comparisons into whack as well. Though I could see it helping this film get a small, late-run boost on weekend 6 before Marvel clears the board.
     
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  17. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    48% RT isn’t a great start, lower even than Mufasa.
     
  18. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    46% now. I imagine given the poor reviews and politicization, it's going to underperform pretty dramatically in the U.S. Also, the title is not an icon of world cinema the way it is in the U.S. I wonder what percentage of global moviegoers alive today have ever watched the original Snow White, the highest grossing "talkie" of all time until Gone With the Wind. I guess it only held that title for a couple of years, but still. With that one movie Walt Disney created a commercial empire so big it was able to consume Star Wars 70 years later.

    But today really who cares?
     
  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It surely must still have an impact upon kids. It may be superseded by the other classic Disney princess movies or even Pinocchio, so it's not top tier (one reason why it's taken them a decade to get to it on the live action remake docket) but the "Hi ho! Hi Ho!" song, the modern mine cart coaster attraction, etc still provide it exposure over the decades. Plus, Gremlins love it.

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    They like it ironically probably. That's how they are.

    Flopfest 2025 - The Preliminary Reckoning

    Snow White - maybe $300 million worldwide. FLOP

    Death of a Unicorn - it cost too much money to make at $70 million. This should have been a $20 million movie. FLOP

    A Minecraft Movie - It looks terrible, cost $150 million, but what do I know. I think it would struggle to hit $200 million worldwide FLOP

    The Amateur - looks lavish, the trailers are great, no idea if it can make money in this terrible weekend slot usually reserved for absolute turds.

    Sinners - expensive at $90 million. Trailer looks fun. Won't reach $200 million worldwide. slow burn to profitability over the long haul?

    The Accountant 2 - what.

    Until Dawn - apparently a videogame adaptation. an $80 million budget? hard to say but probably a FLOP

    Thunderbolts - from the new era of terrible Marvel that hasn't trimmed its production budgets enough comes a movie that is out too early in the reduced box office movie season without any compelling reason to exist at all - FLOP

    Lilo & Stitch - Disney's first box office success of 2025.

    Mission: Impossible - The Final Retconning - FLOP

    Ballerina - terrible trailer, but probably a modest financial success.

    How to Train Your Dragon Live - a success

    28 years Later - a modest success, maybe more on demand and streaming than in theaters

    Elio - maybe a success. maybe it gets politicized like Snow White. hard to know
     
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  21. Guidman

    Guidman Skywalker Saga Mod and Trivia Host star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Truthfully, if Avatar wasn't on the calendar, this would probably be the first year in a long, long time there isn't a $1B+ Hollywood studio film.
     
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  22. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    agreed Avatar 3 pretty much seems like the only real box office story of 2025 barring something unforseen.

    July is crowded with the yawny Jurassic World/Superman/Fantastic Four combo, and then there's a whole lot of nothing until Wicked part 2 and then Avatar.
     
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  23. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Lilo & Stich will do pretty fabulous at least. Jurassic World is an easy bet too. apparently Alto Knights of Robert DeNiro vs Robert DeNiro is going to be a legendary flop
     
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  24. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    We definitely need a few legendary flops to get through this year instead of the just middling flops. If Snow White opens at about $45 million in the U.S. that is pretty disastrous for a $200+ million movie in most cases. If it can't clear $200 million worldwide, then we can start talking about a truly landmark flop, but we're not there yet.
     
  25. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Chosen One star 10

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    Hearing the reviews of the cgi dwarves is hilarious. Doug Walker was congratulating them on creating one of the most horrifying uncanny valley images in decades!
     
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