The Acolyte Official “The Acolyte” Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

The thing about Darth Plagueis is that in legends he was definitely evil. Did he have visions of doing good? Sure, in his own way. He didn’t believe the galaxy could be governed by many people in a democracy. He believed the Sith were shepherds that had to usher the masses, who in his point of view were just children floundering about. He didn’t think people could have the ability to govern themselves, and he had the absolute right to be at the head of power to lead. So, uh… fascism?

Teaching Palpatine everything was a fatal blindspot that led to his death, and he did have a “partnership” touch to his apprentice-master dynamic. While he could save those he “cared” about from death, it was for selfish reasons to further his scientific and biological study of the Force; experimentation, discovery, and a need to obtain immortality. He also coerced Palpatine into committing matricide, patricide, fratricide, and a vast array of very terrible things, as well.

The Sith embrace emotions and passions, and can “love” others. But truly the Dark Side is lust, and infatuation, and a spiral toward death.

Their version of “love” and “care” is the version that takes what it can, and gives nothing back. It’s all about my pleasure, my satisfaction, my enjoyment, my distractions from my problems. Not our beauty. our engagement in mutual fulfillment of one another. Darth Vader could argue he loved Padme, but he was willing to be one hand that destroyed everything she stood for, with absolutely no regard to her own thoughts and feelings, but his own.

Can the story follow a “good” Sith? Theoretically. If they face off against a much more “evil” threat, or do “good” things for their own selfish political gain.

Pirates and underworld preying on the folks of a region paramount to the Grand Plan and their own political advancement? Sith Lord comes in and wipes them out. Ala Darth Maul and Black Sun, or orchestrates the fall of the criminal group and establishes order in the region.

Deranged Dark-side cult is rising in the galaxy, vicious and evil with no thought but to consume the galaxy? Sith plan their demise because it will hinder the Grand Plan.

Honestly, I’d love to see elements from EU Sith books into live-action.

 

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I'm very excited for this show after reading the interview with Headland. She really gets it.

 

Headland’s comments have dramatically increased my interest in this show.

 

Same! I’m really looking forward to the interviews to come, and the leaks, too! Especially the leaks.

 

I get all of that, but I see an opportunity to do something new.

In real life not every dictator sets out with the initial goal of becoming a dictator. Sometimes they simply are someone that sees an injustice, like colonialism, and set out to stop it, but then in the power vacuum left behind become corrupted.

The Sith were an evil group if tyrants that ruled the Galaxy before turning on themselves and being defeated by the Jedi. They then hid for 1,000 years.

And we as fans just accept it that they were out there plotting to have their revenge that whole time, somehow still corrupting apprentices and turning on each other squabbling for power, when it would appear they had none.

Power corrupts, but the Sith have none. What does a Sith at rock bottom with no power look like?

I think it’s possible to put a different spin on it and explore that. Are they still yellow eyed, monstrous plotters?

Or perhaps they are passionate warriors fighting the Republic over its injustices and then recorrupt themselves as the Republic wanes and they begin to taste power again.


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Palpatine's speech about good and evil being points of view IS evil. That is the basis of evil. Evil is the belief that evil is only a point of view and is not immoral.

 

Oh I definitely understand. I’m very excited and I do hope that they show us something like that. There’s always ways to write compelling, darker characters and balancing them out. By what Lesley said about the exploring the bad guys perspective and them being the underdogs in this time period, it’s probable we’ll see this dynamic.

 

I haven’t read any of her comments. I am still excited for the show though. More because it’s not about legacy characters at least mostly. I am sure at some point they’ll throw in Jabba, Yoda or some older character. But the fact is a most of the characters will be new. Star Wars needs to take a long break of using legacy characters. Not take a break. Just focus on new ones. The Mandalorian did this, but I think they started to bring in characters that didn’t make sense. Just for the sake of them being in the show.

I am excited for fresh new main characters. And honestly I hope they don’t use any legacy characters.

 

Which Sith do you think will be in the show? If it’s 100 years before TPM, Darth Tenebrous would be around? Assuming they’re using the legends time period.

Edit: Speaking of Tenebrous, I may be the only one here but it would be amazing to see the Scimitar/Sith infiltrator return into live-action. He invented the ship in legends and it was passed on down. There’s something about the ship’s sound, the slickness, and that sexy interior! I’d love to see it be used by the protagonist!

 

I’m hoping for new Sith. Perhaps we might follow the journey of a Sith apprentice who will eventually become the master of Plagueis. Like others above though, I really want Star Wars to take a vacation from relying on legacy characters.

 

Given the time period, there aren't a lot of legacy characters around to use anyway - mainly Yoda and some other long lived Jedi, and I am sure the sith would be avoiding them as much as possible. Maybe Jabba? Chewie is alive, but very young I believe.... Beyond that, just some d-listers that probably wouldn't gather enough hype to bother with.

 

I remember Headland they couldn’t pay her enough to do legacy-era characters.

I can see a cameo or two: Maz, or Yoda, or even more so Jabba if the Sith are dealing with the criminal element. I think in part of what makes The Mandalorian successful is a clean slate.

There isn’t as much expectation to live up to or bound by certain standards like Luke, Boba Fett, or Obi-Wan. They have more creative freedom with these original characters.

 

It’s not even legacy characters. If it makes sense for them to be in the show fine. Use them. But they don’t need to be the main character of everything or needlessly crammed in. I would prefer a show or movie just not use them at all. I think this show has a chance of that. Which is exciting.

 

^^Yep. I love Yoda, but if he never shows up in this series at all I will be perfectly happy, gimme new characters please.

 

Edit.

 

Rejoicing mode engaged.

 

Sorry for the D.P.

We may have a director.

https://bespinbulletin.com/2022/07/loki-director-rumoured-to-be-directing-star-wars-the-acolyte/

 

I imagine Loki might have been good, so I think this could be good!

 

Loki was very good.

 

This is good.