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Senate The AIificication and future of work

Discussion in 'Community' started by Bacon164, Feb 10, 2023.

  1. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    And again, the article you posted was about ChatGPT specifically... Which specifically DOES scrape and steal its learning from unauthorized sources.
     
  2. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The word "ethical" doesn't exist in the techbro world.
    Again, nothing is being "written". When an "ethical" [sic] AI company tricked a bunch of people to submit their bad fan fiction in the guide of helping them, the AI they trained on the submissions produced... bad fan fiction.
    Aha, you say, then we "train" it on bestsellers! Except it still produces.. bad fan fiction. I mean, summarizing elements in a story without understanding what makes the overall story enjoyable is the literal definition of bad fan fiction.
    And the "for now" is part of the Silicon Valley grift. "This amazing feature that will change everything is just around the corner, if you give us more investment money!"
    It's plagiarism, because it's a piece of software using people's copyrighted material without permission. That's why the whole AI myth is being pressed, it "writes", it "creates", etc. The person operating the program, the actual intelligence here, is using it to, as they say, scrape data.
    And they already coyly tried to get around this by trying to "train" AI on just other AI, and it didn't work - for obvious reasons.
    I feel like there's some goalpost shifting here.
    I work with data aggregation, I work with implementing chatbots. Data aggregation is certainly a useful tool. But that's not what's being discussed here.
    The idea that "AI" will somehow poop out solutions to scientific conundrums is laughable at best.
     
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  3. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m reading a book for professional reasons called The Gift of Story. In it the author talks about how stories (and books) connect people through shared experiences—there are chapters on healing, compassion, inspiration and connection.

    No artificial intelligence is going to do that as well as another human being.
     
  4. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Elon announced his own AI company, predictably called xAI, which will use Twitter to "learn". That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
     
  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Elon has never bull*****ed us before!

    Sent from my computer terminal on Mars
     
  6. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    if you think people need any less help using an online catalog than they needed using a card catalog, you would be surprised.
     
  7. mnjedi

    mnjedi JCC Arena Game Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    Well unfortunately “this chatbot will be racist on purpose.” Is probably a pretty big selling point with that crowd.
     
  8. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Pay $x per month to be told "**** you, libtard" by X's x-rated chatbot.
     
  9. The Jedi in the Pumas

    The Jedi in the Pumas Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I didn’t say they needed less help. For various reasons, to include computers, shared databases, kids just using google and Wikipedia, and a weird unavailability of librarians in certain areas, the number of librarians in public schools has been decreasing for decades, to the point where some schools don’t have librarians on payroll at all.

    I’ve never said it was because people didn’t need their help. In fact, evidence shows that they probably do.
     
  10. solojones

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    So it really has nothing to do with AI, and everything to do probably with school workers not being paid enough..cool story bro!
     
  11. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Also with some people being dumb enough to think Google is a replacement for librarians or that ‘all we do is check out books’ and can’t a $15-per-hour assistant do that?

    That was before they started calling us all “groomers” for daring to provide books that have characters that aren’t white and straight.
     
  12. Vaderize03

    Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    An AI that’s the amalgamation of MAGA personified. Great.
     
  13. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    I think we should dedicate some posts to developing a meaning for Bacon’s new word: ALIFIFICATION.
     
  14. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with those who refuse to work because they are tired of how the bosses won't recognize their worth, verbally or in action. Having said that, getting a healthy life, family, and society in general requires working to earn living space, resources, etc.

    I can't speak to any reaction to that word, honestly. But I think the future of work will be more collective than this individualistic stuff. The future will entail people working to produce resources in a difficult world. And honestly, I admire work, whether it's collective or individual. I also admire solitary people who don't work. If they want to be on welfare, paint, or do what they feel they need to do, as long as they ain't hurting anyone, that's all grand.

    I also don't understand why some on here have perpetuated the myth that welfare was created to keep people of color down. That's practically a conspiracy theory. It's as silly as saying that the Jews and African Americans are working together with Latinx people to begin an ethnocide. Besides, I have known people who were on welfare who did work to earn some income unofficially. There's no need to make too many things black and white.
     
  15. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    So could an A.I. post a Ramza post an not tell the difference.
     
  16. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It would just post a five paragraph paean to Mario Golf and no one would be able to tell the difference.
     
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  17. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    is that you , Ramza?
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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  20. Lord Vivec

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  21. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Apparently things it should be able to do, and to test it for (list from LinkedIn post):

    Submit an image of a broken device and user manual, ask how to fix it.

    Submit an image of a bug that just bit you, ask what it is and what to do.

    Submit an image of interior design, ask to describe the style and suggest a shopping list for you.

    Submit an image of a website, ask how to improve it to be more action-oriented.
     
  22. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I've rarely encountered a user manual that's helpful in that regard. Except maybe a car? Is there a more specific example?

    Jesus, going by the bull**** ChatGPT spits out half the time, that could actually be dangerous.
     
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  23. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Chosen One star 7

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    If I wanted something to improperly assess my risk of death, I'd use webMD more
     
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  24. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sure is an amazing coincidence that right as it became clear their user base was dropping off rapidly with the exception of school kids trying to cheat on essays, and the boom begins to sour in the broader marketplace, they roll this out. I’m sure it’s all very functional.
     
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  25. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I didn't realize the AI boom was already waning. Do you have an article about it? I wonder what the next grift will be.
     
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