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Lit The Archaeology and History Thread

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Darth Invictus, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 5

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    Continuing the trend of academic subjects and the past of the GFFA I present to you, the archaeology and history thread.

    How does the GFFA handle its history? Its historiography? What archaeological aspects are particularly interesting? What historical aspects?

    Thoughts? Ideas?
     
  2. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Something that's right up this thread's alley has just come up! Apparently, some guys figured out yet another canon dating system feature in the upcoming "Scum and Villainy" book! See HERE (beware the spoilers though).
     
  3. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There was another dating system that got used in an episode of TCW, wasn't there? Does it line up with that?
     
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  4. AV-6R7

    AV-6R7 Jedi Knight star 1

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    You mean the Commerce Treaty of 1647, yes? If so, then yeah, we considered it when figuring out the dating system.
     
  5. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 5

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    To use a legends here-aren't there from an IU perspective more benefits to an Endor based system than a Yavin one?
     
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  6. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I remember the Endor system being more common on fan timelines in the 90s, before the Yavin-based one became solidified in official publications.
     
  7. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Yes.... Yavin never made sense to me.
     
  8. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Master star 2

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    The Yavin dating system is one of those things that makes a lot of out-of-universe sense, as it places everything relevant to the first piece of media, but little in-universe sense. It wasn't even the end of the war. I'd date from Ruusan if it were me deciding these things.
     
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  9. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Shall we debate if Freia Kallea should get a lot of credit for the Hydian Way...or just minor credit for stitching together several smaller hyperlanes that already existed?
     
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  10. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Master star 4

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    Yavin actually makes a lot of sense in-universe because of Ruusan, because they happened exactly 1000 years apart. 1 ABY = 1001 after Ruusan. Seems like it’d be pretty easy to adjust to.


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  11. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Master star 2

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    I could swear I read somewhere, also, that the concept of big momentous events happening in exact, something-to-some-power-of-ten increments from each other (Yavin was 1000 years after Ruusan, which was 4000 years after the Great Hyperspace War, which was 20,000 years after the Republic's founding, which was 75,000 years after the binding of Abeloth, etc.) was borrowed from real-life mythology, but I can't recall just WHERE I heard that...
     
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  12. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    Seems really weird to me that Ruusan was ever put 1000 years before YAVIN, considering all the reference points in narrative were 1000 years before the specific story mentioning it. A New Hope never mentioned it.
     
  13. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 5

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    Ruusan from an IU perspective was the decline of the republic and a massive political re-organization thus separating the post Ruusan period from the thousands of years that had proceeded it.

    As for Endor-it's a pretty significant event even in legends were the war continued for another 15 years. I could see young historians arguing for Endor instead of Yavin in the GFFA's historiographical conferences.
     
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  14. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I think Endor was used in the timelines provided in novels and comics set after ROTJ while Yavin was used in the Essential Guides.
     
  15. CakeWhill

    CakeWhill Jedi Youngling

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    To be honest I never really got the idea of the New Republic changing the calendar in the first place. I could see the Empire changing it because their system is built off arrogance so naturally they would want people to think 'It's been 14 years since our glorious Empire rose'. I can't see the New Republic doing that though because 1: it's made up of people who are humble enough to realize that their system may not even stay a Republic for long because everyone has a say in how things are run and their system of governance could change with democratic action, and 2: I don't think they would want to mess with the sciences like that. Keeping track of years should be a very apolitical thing that is meant to serve historians and scientists and I feel like the New Republic wouldn't want to mess with the calendar the same way they also wouldn't want to make a new alphabet or numerical system based off their government.
     
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  16. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    I never really got the idea (in universe) of making your timeline based off of destroying the original Death Star. While am important victory....it really is not something you would design your entire concept of time around. I would be like the US having a pre-Gettysburg and post-Gettysburg calendar
     
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  17. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 5

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    Yeah the Out of Universe reasoning is great but IU it made little sense to me.
     
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  18. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    This. Creating a new calendar/year zero seems Orwellian to me. It feels it's denying that there was any history before the regime instead of remembering history.

    Also, if the Empire created a new calendar, I could see them using any of the three prequels or even the year that Sheev was born as year zero. TPM was when Palpatine became Chancellor, AOTC was when Palpatine got "emergency powers" and what would become the Imperial military, and ROTS was when the Jedi were "exposed" and the formal birth of the Empire occured.
     
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  19. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    That's why The Phantom Menace is "zero year" in my personal files, cuz it works both in-universe and out. It's the "first" movie, and it's the "last" year of the Republic (though obviously not officially for another decade). Palpatine's election at the end of the movie is the first day of "year one".
     
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  20. jSarek

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    Wait, there's an Archaeology thread, and no one has informed Dr. Barriss "Indiana" Coffee (aka @Barriss_Coffee )? Shame on you all.

    No, we shan't. Freia Kallea was awesome and deserves all the credit.

    Okay, fine, if we're going to make a debate of it, then we should definitely not underestimate the sheer amount of cunning, work, luck, and perseverance it took to stitch together the smaller lanes, which had sat unconnected for centuries, as well as blaze from whole cloth major stretches of the Hydian that had no predecessor; the Serenno-Telos leg alone would have been a career capstone for most scouts, let alone the Denon-Demos leg or the impressive Rimma-Terminus leg. The fact that Kallea did all of this and completely redefined the galaxy in a span of eleven years makes her easily one of the most important personages in galactic history.
     
  21. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    I am not saying she does not deserve credit for her accomplishment...I just want those who came before to get their credit for laying the ground work. Freia did not exist in a vacuum...OK...literally she did in the vacuum of space....but built on others work.
     
  22. jSarek

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    The fact that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity builds on the work of Newton, Maxwell, Hertz, Doppler, and Lorentz doesn't make Relativity any less revolutionary. The pre-existing routes facilitated local travel, but were in the scheme of things about as consequential as the Nothoiin Corridor or the Pabol Sleheyron. They didn't change everything like the Hydian Way did.

    That said, the various scouts who forged the minor routes that Kallea tied together are lost to history (i.e. they were never established in Legends and thus now probably never will be), so crediting them properly may be a bit challenging.
     
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  23. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 5

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    So on a particular tangent that interests me-what would IU historians call the period from 19 BBY to 45 ABY?
     
  24. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm guessing you mean in Legends? What unifies that period for you that they would call it anything?
     
  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The Skywalkers. What else?
     
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