The Bad Batch The Bad Batch 1.10 - Common Ground - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I think the kamino plot might not end this season and only expended on in season 2 and we barely seen Rampart really in this season, so it seems little to early to kill him off. This season might end with a cliffhanger and bad news for the bad batch.

 

I don't the Rampart is meant to last long. Kamino stuff might get more action in season 2 but just like this season is hyping up The Book of Boba Fett. I could also see more focus on ex separatists for tie ins to hype up Andor in season 2.

 

I wonder if we could see a young Cassian Andor in season 2 of bad batch to tie the two series.

 

I saw a lot of swapped parts. Blue skin or new clothes on the same head. That’s technically different. Felt like TCW would reuse identical models in the same shot.

His style of vest is in fashion on Raxis Prime for this episode.

 

Honestly the tall human guy all the way on the left with the dark beard during the occupation scene reminds me of Andor. Could be a relative.

 

As someone who has watched 100+ episodes of seasons of anime this is filler.

Spoiler: spoiler for a couple curse words

 

Not sure any episode should be deemed filler while the season is still in progress.

 

I say all fillers as they are called will come back in either season 1 or season 4 like in rebels with the space whales.

 

That poison milk episode of the Clone Wars ended up being a major turning point the future of all Mandalore.

 

I watched a series lately with an episode that screamed filler. On top of it it seemed so senseless that I barely focussed on it.

It was the episode that kicked my behind a few episodes later. Everything 'filler' was needed later.

@Seerow - I meant it as Raxus is a turning point again where a character has to accept the humanity of the other side. That Echo is traumatized - there is no question. But it is good that he's to face it indirectly now. As in "Not every Seppie has had to do with my case."
But I forgot he was ARC than. I jump so much through TCW that I forget the timeline sometimes.

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My biggest complaint for this episode is the entire premise. On D+ it says that the BB have their ideology challenged. Echo and Hunter are pretty against helping Senator Singh. Then they rescue him and that's the end of the debate. I was hoping for a really good convo between Singh and the BB about the war, Dooku, everything. Hopefully, we'll get that further down the line. Though it is ironic that we are shown that not all Separatists are bad also in the Clone Wars and it also takes place on Raxus.

 

This episode isn't filler, just more of a breather. It reintroduces the former CIS and shows what is happening to those worlds. It also serves as a benchmark for character development. Its important that Hunter left Omega behind and came back to her being fine. He might have to do that again. Cid is going to continue to be an important ally even when they move on. I don't think they'll kill her off in a hurry.

It was important for Omega to experience that if the Bad Batch leave her behind voluntarily, they will come back. She's still a part of the squad and they all share a strong bond with her. Once Hunter comes back, what's going on in the back room could be going to hell and he doesn't care. He's happy to just hang out with her.

Honestly getting her a new comm device should be high on the priority list in any case.

Those were lessons learned by Ahsoka in "Heroes on Both Sides" a personal favorite of mine. Its unfortunate the Onderon Arc major league contradicts it later. These are lessons The Bad Batch ideally still needs to learn since they seemingly did without much difficulty here. Echo seems to have relented. They were in to much of a rush to get back to Omega to care for long they were rescuing an CIS Senator.

The lack of depth to the action is why when the poll goes up. This episode will get a 7 from me. Character work was solid and the actual action was great.

 

How exactly did the Onderon Arc contradict it? The civilians were essentially being dominated by a dictator who overtook the the more sensible king. And of course that dictator was a puppet for Dooku.

 

Because "Heroes on Both Sides" went to great lengths to show Mina Bonteri and her son were good people with there own commendable ideas simply seeking a better way than suffocating under the corruption of The Republic. Then the Onderon arc just turns right around and shows the CIS as being straight up one dimensional evil again which contradicts and defeats the entire purpose of that arc. That's just one of many issues I have with that arc and its complete lack of depth. Fortunately while this episode lacks some depth it isn't that watered down. It actually makes a better follow up to "Heroes on Both Sides".

 

The fact that Bonteri was no longer a separatist after that does not contradict Heroes on Both Sides in any way. And while the Bonteri family received the most focus, there were other separatists in that episode besides them. Reminder that Padme and Ahsoka were present at the Separatist Parliament session, and plenty of people spoke there clearly with good intentions in mind and earnest believe in the CIS cause and their people. And in this very parliament session the absolute majority voted for peace with the Republic. That was the point.

However, CIS have always been straight up one dimensional evil. This is the problem with trying to give complexity to CIS/Empire in Star Wars. They are unapologetically evil on the battlefield, and we know it. They both genocide and enslave populations, and we saw it multiple times. People and senators on Raxus just don't know about it. They don't know or don't care about General Grievous and Ventress committing atrocities, bombing cities full of civilians from orbit and committing terrorist attacks(in the very Heroes on Both Sides episode, heh), etc.
Nevertheless, the episode did its job, which was to show Ahsoka that Separatist people are not evil or wrong, like Anakin believed in the beginning of that episode: "War is complicated, Ahsoka, but let me simplify it. The Separatists believe the Republic is corrupt, but they are wrong, and we have to restore order. *smug Anakin expression*"

 

I think that gets more to the root of how two faced the CIS is during the Clone Wars. It’s part of the disconnect between the politicians, corporate barons, and military.

The political leaders of the CIS are idealists committed to the noble cause of creating a more fair and freer galactic government. But the military of the CIS far removed the political leaders in the field is all about conquest and occupation. The idealistic senators are largely in the dark about how awful the practices of their side really are in practice. There are heroes on both sides. And villains.

The separatists senators could be a great for the rebellion against the Empire.

 

Loved the episode. I would probably wait until the end of the season to determine if it is a breather/filler or just a set up for some future events. One only has to look at the space whales episode of Rebels or the prisoners episode of Mando to know that seemingly unimportant events can have significant impact on later story telling.

 

And all these BB ‘filler’ episode have been doing heavy lifting to setting up the larger game board. The series used ‘side quests’ to establish the state of the criminal underworld, fledgling rebellion, and this week the remains of the CIS’s political side during this time period.

That telegraphs the potential for much bigger future story lines than space whales.

 

It's kinda funny that Omega apparently managed to earn more money by playing space chess in one day, than CF99 for all their missions. Might as well consider laying down your blasters, boys. Fast, go to Nar Shaddaa or that casino planet from the sequels, and make some credits with Omega.

 

That is absolutely true about the disconnect but the Onderon arc never really went into any of those politics. HOBS still presented Mina Bonteri as a "good guy" of the CIS. The Onderon arc reveals she was supporting an oppressive CIS tyrant who seized power with Separatist assistance while Onderon's rightful ruler insisted on remaining neutral in the war. It just doesn't mesh together.

 

Gambling is where the money's at, just ask Lando.

 

Maybe Omega can win them a better ship.

 

I want young Lando get out played by Omega and he starts his cheating scheme.

 

Might as well say that Mina Bonteri supported all the "heroic" deeds of Count Dooku, General Grievous, Ventress, and others while we are at it. We don't know exactly how Dooku presented the Onderon situation to the CIS Parliament and the people. Lies, deceptions, manipulations as usual, I must assume. Mina Bonteri was pretty ignorant of Dooku in the very Heroes on Both Sides episode, whereas Padme knew his true face from experience, yet Bonteri still said: "We will never agree on Dooku."
Anyway, where was it stated in the Onderon arc that she supported it? Dooku killed her way back in season 4, Onderon was in season 5.