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Arena "The Beautiful Game" - The Official JCC Football (Soccer) Thread.

Discussion in 'Community' started by FORCE_SKIN, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Abramovich seems worried.[​IMG]
     
  2. epic

    epic Ex Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    reports out of agrentina saying that maradona has died :/
     
  3. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    terribly sad, what a legend.
     
  4. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    On the BBC now. Sad when anyone dies, but this is not a surprise.
     
  5. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    I heard his recent surgery was successful.
    But he'd had health problems for a while.

    Still, as with George Best I remember the sportsman he was not the man he became.

    A fabulously talented player
     
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  6. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 4

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    Yeah, sadly I'm not surprised. I watched a documentary about him recently; he has had health problems for some time. I imagine he wrecked his cardio-vascular system with his lifestyle. Very sad... genius footballer.
     
  7. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Ledge. GOAT - it’s not even close.
     
  8. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    real madrid/inter should be good here. de facto disqualifier for the group stage, both sides are down so many players.

    really nice tribute to maradona, pre-match.
     
  9. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Some interesting stories




     
  10. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    LOL @ Liverpool
    LOL @Diggy
    LOL
     
  11. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 8

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    lol for a draw? Living in your head rent free, is the phrase I believe.
     
  12. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oh, that's definitely a LOL. 2 disallowed goals, missed penalty, and a very dodgy 2nd penalty given in injury time. So many LOLs
     
  13. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Brighton were wasteful.

    Should have been 2-0 up even before Salah's goal was ruled out for offside.
     
  14. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Losing at home to Köln is why Dortmund will not win the League. Can't drop points like that. The League is won by taking all the points you can from all the sides you're supposed to beat, so it doesn't matter H2H with the Bavarians. But, Köln, winless in eighteen games ... You simply can't drop those points. Even with the midweek game and not starting the first choice XI. You can't.
     
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  15. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    when did schalke go to total ****, inty? seems like they've been, at worst, midtable. at least since I've paid some degree of attention to bundesliga.
     
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  16. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Pretty much since their runner up season in 17-18. The UCL performance that next year masked things, but they were 14th (of 18, mind you) in the league that year. Last year, they had a sixteen game winless steak ... And didn't fire the manager. He finally got fired after a terrible start to this campaign, but the team has sold off a bunch of talent over the summer the last three years, so you can't entirely blame him.

    Just be glad McKenzie got out before they started giving him a real winning mentality
     
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  17. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    saw he started for juve in their CL game this week. pretty fantastic!
     
  18. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Thats debatable.

    Pele
     
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  19. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Pelé - advanced striker who apart from a swansong for the New York Cosmos, never left Santos back when most players were chain-smoking cart horses Pelé. Yeah right.

    I don’t even rate him as the greatest Brazilian ever.

    That’s Fat Ronaldo.
     
  20. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    For the majority of Pele's playing career transfers outside of a players home country where extremely rare. And the Brazillian government actually blocked Santos selling him to multiple European clubs by declaring him a national treasure.

    It took Pele begging the Government of Brazil to let him come to the US as a way to grow the sport for them to allow him to do it.

    And to comment about the majority of players smoking while Maradona was a cocaine addict and Alcoholic for the majority of his playing career is an odd arguement to make.
     
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  21. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    So we’re in agreement that we’ll never know if Pelé could dominate foreign leagues in the way Maradona did.

    EDIT: hey, you dirty edited in that final paragraph. In response to that I’d say otherwise. I was commenting on the standard of players during Pelé’s prime was much poorer. The fact that Maradona was still different class while abusing drink and drugs almost lends itself to my case.
     
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  22. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    It's the age old question

    Is a prolific player in a terrible league really good, or do they look great because the league is terrible?

    Pele undoubtedly was a talented striker, he performed well on the international stage against many good teams with players from top European leagues.

    But the GOAT? Probably will always have an asterisk because he never showed what he could do for a top club side
     
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  23. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I did not mean do what ever a that. I had the edit function open immediately after posting wanting to Change my wording and was stuck on it for awhile. You posted while I was doing that, I did not want to double post.

    Honestly we won't agree. Its the same as arguing if Jordan or LeBron is the greatest of all time. People have different criteria. I feel its Pele because of his record in internationals, his goal scoring profiling, longevity etc.

    Both you and @SithLordDarthRichie keep pointing out Pele was a striker, but he played in a 424 formation most of his career, whereas Maradona played in a 442 as a withdrawn striker or attacking midfielder. There is not That much difference between those and Pele(and Maradona) where both underrated as defensive players.
     
  24. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Similar argument used for Messi.

    He's has a wonderful club career, won everything. But he's never really done anything on the international stage the way Maradona did, so some say Diego is better because of the World Cup wins.

    C. Ronaldo has won all the major club trophies and also won the Euro international tournament. Does that make him better than Messi?
     
  25. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    I personally think Ronaldo is better than Messi. There isn't much in it but Ronaldo has proved his ability in multiple leagues whereas Messi hasn't

    Ronaldo was part of a team that won a major international tournament, Messi hasn't