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Arena "The Beautiful Game" - The Official JCC Football (Soccer) Thread.

Discussion in 'Community' started by FORCE_SKIN, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    they should, but won't, sell dembele. guy appears to be supremely unlikeable, apparently quite racist, and is always hurt.

    dortmund getting 135m in that sale may be the crown jewel in their recent history of genius-level operations.
     
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  2. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    waiting for some additional details on the Messi contract, because there was a lot of talk that he'd have an "ambassador clause" that would allow him to play in MLS.

    There aren't many past-their-prime players that moving to MLS would make me go see a game. Messi might be the only one. And at any age, I'd go see Messi play for an MLS team.
     
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  3. EHT

    EHT Anthology Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, earlier the rumor was that he'd do two more years at Barca, then two years at Miami, then back to Barca in some sort of management role.
     
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  4. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    that would be wonderful for MLS, if they took advantage. anticipation of his arrival would sell out stadiums a year+ in advance.
     
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  5. EHT

    EHT Anthology Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Instead of Miami, I'd like him to consider coming to Atlanta. :p
     
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  6. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    looks like barca is swapping griezmann back to atletico, but for centre mid saul, who is heavily sought after.

    simeone plays dull, defensive, compact football, for the most part. and now he's going to have to accommodate the attacking prowess of felix, griezmann, and suarez, all at the front - and some combination of correa, lemar, trippier, and carrasco on the wings. they also paid chelsea 50 mil for morata a year ago, and have him loaned out to juve.

    but he won la liga, so he can do what he wants. :p
     
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  7. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Harsh.

    Stories still favour Varane to United.
    Seems he's happy with the terms offered, which are better than what RM is offering to re-sign.
    RM want it resolved, the options are re-sign, leave or be benched for the last year of current contract. They don't want to lose him for free
     
  8. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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  9. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    Donnarumma retires early and has joined PSG
     
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  10. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    My heart bleeds for him
     
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  11. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Obviously he's still on ridiculous money, but I thought he'd leave Barca for whoever paid him the most.
    It says something that he was willing to significantly reduce his wages to help out the club's financial position instead of just going somewhere like PSG where he could earn more.

    He's still earning around €50m a year, so it's hardly going to cause him any problem.
     
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  12. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    arjen robben retired (again?). prem league title with chelsea, 8x bundesliga/CL title with bayern, la liga with real madrid, eredivisie with psv. plenty of domestic cups thrown in, and a world cup final.

    what an incredible career.
     
  13. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    The English Player Premium strikes again

    Liverpool signed Konate for £30mil
    United close to agreeing a deal for Varane for around £40mil

    Two of the world's best CBs for what in the modern football market is pretty good money.

    Arsenal....sign Ben White for £50mil
    A fine defender no doubt, but nowhere near elite level yet.

    But then neither were Maguire (80m) AWB (50m) or Chilwell (50m)

    Brighton got a good deal there
     
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  14. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    Varane wants to move on and only has 1 year left on his contract. £40m abut right
    Konate, 1 year left on his contract and had a minimum fee release clause that Liverpool triggered. £30m (give or take) is under valued because of the release clause

    White wants to move on but has a contract till 2024. Arsenal have to pay a premium to buy out the contract so it's not and England premium its a contract premium. Konate would have been £40-50m had it not been for the minimum fee release clause and Varane would have been Maguire./VVD levels if he still had 2 or 3 years on his contract.

    Brighton have a good but fair deal, if anything I would say that Real and Leipzig will miss out
     
  15. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Varane & Konate are worth £50m

    White is not, he's worth the sort of money Liverpool & United are paying for better players.
    English defenders have been signed for ridiculous money in recent years, far more than they're actually worth
     
  16. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    Contracts Ritch, the fact they only have 1 year left reduces their value and Konate has a MINIMUM fee release clause. Leipzig were obligated to accept Liverpools bid.

    A players value plummets in his last year. Pogba is a £90m midfielder (based on France performances) but if United sold him now they'd get £50m for him as he's in his last year/

    Varane is in his last year so his price drops as it's either get around 50% of value or lose the player for nothing.

    White at £50m is about right based on ability, duration of contract and potential. Arsenal have got a good player there.
     
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  17. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    Given they got Gabriel for 25m, who was scouted by many big clubs, paying twice that for a defender who right now isn't much better seems unnecessary given what Arsenal need to improve their squad. They aren't exactly rich these days, that much on a CB seems like a waste of a large chunk of their budget they could have saved on a cheaper defender to be used elsewhere.

    Arsenal's problem last season was scoring goals more than defending, White won't help with that.

    I'm sure White will be worth 50m in time, assuming he improves at Arsenal
     
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  18. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    He's worth £50m now thats why Arsenal payed £50m now and the reason Arsenal are struggling to score is the same reason United struggled under Mourinho is because their defence isn't good enough and they have to play deeper than the like of Lacazette and Aubamayang like. White fixes that problem.

    White is going to be an excellent defender and in all honesty should have gone to a bigger club

    for £50m
     
  19. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    8th player sold or allowed to leave chelsea today - so far about 50mil in transfer revenue, and gilmour loaned out to norwich. nobody in yet.

    i do hope this isn't one of those summers in which we sit around for three months before signing danny drinkwater
     
  20. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    spurs sending lamela and 25 mil to sevilla for bryan gil.

    5'7" winger, 20 y/o, nicknamed "little cruyff" by sevilla fans. that has to be good, right?
     
  21. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    United apparently trying to tempt Goretzka to agree to sign next summer when he's out of contract.

    Also apparently interested in Ruben Neves, who Arsenal also are keen to sign. He could be available for £35m, which I think is a good price for someone of that ability.

    No idea how long the Varane deal will take, but it does seem like it will happen eventually. Personal terms aren't an issue and he wants to leave Real Madrid, so it's a case of how long it takes for the clubs to negotiate a price.

    Still lots of chatter around Trippier. I'm fine with getting a back-up to challenge AWB, but we have Dalot already who has had a good season on loan with AC Milan and apparently is highly regarded by Ancelotti.
    Why not just keep him as the attacking RB option and save the money?
     
  22. FatBurt

    FatBurt Chosen One star 6

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    AWB isn't that great going forwards but is excellent defensively. Rumours are it's Trippier to be first choice RB with AWB/Dalot as back up and with AWB to be also trialled in a central role alongside Maguire/?? in a similar vein as Walker gets used for England and see if he can become a Centre back.


    Very much crappy paper rumours though so pinch of salt advised

    Spurs looking to move on a few players with Dier and Winks near the top of the pile to move on. Don't know who'll they'll replace them with considering the £2.50 they'll get.
     
  23. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    spurs, arsenal, and united are being aggressive this window. good moves all around, and liverpool, too.

    if united gets verane and slabhead maintains his form from the euros, that back line is going to be immense. should they get camavinga or a quality cdm, even moreso.
     
  24. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    AWB can't play CB, he slides in too much which is dangerous in the box.
    And there's no way we paid 50m for him just to be a back-up RB, he's the first choice guy and anyone else is there simply to motivate him.

    Haven't Liverpool only bought in one player and lost Wijnaldum?
    I've heard also that there are issues with Henderson signing a new contract. It would be crazy for them to let their captain go, he's very important to that team.
     
  25. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga/JCC Manager star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    you bought van de beek for 42m, and i'm not sure he's even a backup.

    if trippier is brought in and plays better, you're a big enough club to have grossly expensive backups.
     
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