Arena "The Beautiful Game" - The Official JCC Football (Soccer) Thread.

you need to get over the self entitlement, you are only hurting yourself.

If at least ten players are needed, that’s not a one season project, it’s 3-4 years. But you don’t have the patience, and it will be another glorious failure.

Not that your recruitment is anything but terrible, so it doesn’t matter anyway.

 

There is a gaping hole in Uniteds midfield created by Fred going off on a wander again.
Erikson is dropping deep to get the ball from De Gea (which should be Freds job). It's just dreadful.

4 seasons now United have needed a new CDM and yet they still don't have one and aren't going for one.

It's just hilarious

 

I'm all for it

It's the only way to get serious change at the club.
Winning means the owners can pretend nothing needs fixing

The more negative publicity the club gets the more it reflects on them

 

You can't change 10 players in one window though.

You absolutely need a new CDM and striker. Martinez was not a requirement based on the defenders you had who have been criminally exposed by the midfield.

CDM and a replacement for Ronaldo should have been the primary focus this window with one or two additions specifically for squad depth as thats crap too.

 

A lengthy rebuild? Because you just said you had enough one game and thirty minutes into the season.

maybe the match going fans have more patience. No wait, they were going at halftime last week.

 

The rebuild has been going on for a decade

ETH won't last this season let alone another 3 to build the team he wants.
The players don't want to do the work, doesn't matter who is in charge

At this rate just play the youth, at least they'd work hard

 

The rebuild was making progress under Ole then you brought Ronaldo in and stalled it

The Rebuild was proceeding under Mourinho but you never bought the players he identified

The rebuild was the Galactico approach under Van Gaal and then you canned him for Mourinho

The rebuild never started under Moyes.

Before you go "but the owners". I agree there is a lot there to criticise but they've spent the money. the money has been spent badly

 

He won’t get the time due to the fans, despite most of you wanting him.

you need to take your fair share of the blame.

 

Then bring in people who will spend money better, the way the other big clubs do.
We're being outspent by Spurs & Arsenal, who buy better players cheaper.

Barcelona can get players like Kessie for free and United can't get anyone who can improve the midfield

I think there must be something going on in the club when someone like Maguire can't get dropped yet VDB & James Garner can't get game time ahead of players like Fred
They must have some dirt on the owners that they use as leverage to keep their position

Fans have nothing to do with it.
A lot of them fork out big money for season tickets, why should they put up with a bunch of mercenaries who are in it for the money & disgrace the badge?
There's no enjoyment in watching that, discontent should be voiced otherwise nothing will change

 

Don't be ridiculous

 

I think it's more likely (and more damning) that the likes of VDB and James Garner (whoever he is) are not as good as the likes of McFred or Maguire.

 

That's just untrue though, it's obvious when you see them play how much better they are.
Garner at least can defend & pass

Varane is one of the world's best CBs, how is he not better than Maguire?

Or the board are demanding certain players get picked

Rashford as a brand makes money & sells shirts, so he needs to be on the pitch
Maguire was a huge investment, taking the captaincy away & dropping him makes the Glazer's transfer practice look bad. If he keeps playing they can at least pretend it proves how good he is, or something

I don't see any other logical explanation
What smart coach keeps picking failures?

 

United, bottom of the league.

Gotta love it

 

It'll be even better negative goal difference next weekend

Nice to see the team is at least striving towards a new achievement.

 

Watching the highlights on MotD. United were even worse than I could've imagined. Just utterly clueless. I know the Glazers are bad owners, but the team as they are now are the result of bad coaching and bad players. De Gea's done, Ronaldo is a petulant millstone, Maguire is as bad a centre back you'll see in the Premier League, Sancho is anonymous and Martinez is too small.

It's one hell of a rebuild. Hope it takes decades.

 

lol

 

You’re mercenary fans, the self entitlement says this, why don’t you deserve mercenary players?

what player purchases, out of the billion spent in a decade did you object to?

Do you still think Ronaldo was a good buy, despite how he’s **** on your club for the entire summer?

In other news, ten Hag is already throwing the players under the bus, that will end well. The job is simply too big for him. Probably for anyone. It’s fantastic.

the signs were there when the entire recruitment policy for the summer was to go for players he’s worked with, it’s very small minded.

a 60 mill CD who already looks to be a flop because slow and short doesn’t work in the pl for a defender.

Chasing a midfielder all summer that doesn’t want to join (managers choice though, so can’t complain about that, but you hypocritically will)

Its an absolute disaster, from top to bottom, the owners are the least of your worries.

having said all that, you’ll spawn a draw or win Monday week and be back. At least per the BBC.

 

I'd question Liverpool's title credentials if they can't score at least 6 past this United team.

The players performed badly, I'd throw them under the bus they deserve it.
They did it last season with Ole & Rangnick & they're doing it now.
Most of them should never play again for the club, but they will because it's contractually obligated or something.
And it's why they continue as they have been, if players know they'll be picked regardless of form they'll make no effort to improve.

ETH hasn't got enough players he trusts that he can pick to implement his game plan properly. Relying on a team full of 3 previous managers' players wouldn't work for most new coaches.
The keeper can't play out from the back, the captain can't play a high line, the midfield can't hold onto the ball or take it from the back 4 effectively.
ETH can't make them do those things, so he needs players who can.

CR7 can **** on the club all he wants, he's right.
He wants out because the club don't want to be successful and he does. That's fine, I don't blame him. He's got little time left at the top level, he shouldn't waste it in some trash team when he could be playing UCL somewhere else and adding to his legacy

 

So you’re a spoilt child, no more, no less.

sadly for you, you’re going to be having tantrums for many years to come, as you don’t understand your clubs true standing.

 

So my name is now Random and weird.

 

I just want to see progress.

Most fans want to enjoy watching their team, not go to games where they play like **** and get humiliated constantly because the players have downed tools

Most of the previous manages played bad football, ETH does not. His style is a sort of hybrid of Pep & Klopp, it should at least be dynamic & appealing to look at even if results don't work out early on (same happened to Klopp when he was first at Liverpool, the signs were there of what he wanted to do but he didn't have the players to get it right consistently at first)

It's not about the result, it's about the performance. Losing if you play well but a team is better than you/got lucky is fine.
That happens sometimes.
Losing because you don't turn up or even try to do what the manager wants is not acceptable for any team and it should never be accepted by any club fan.
Giving your best for the team should be mandatory for players who make so much money per week

And I want to know why players who consistently perform so badly keep getting picked.
This isn't a drop in form that gets resolved through playing time, they've been like this for a year at least.