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Census The Books, Lord Of The Rings Or Games Of Thrones?

Discussion in 'Community' started by VadersLaMent , May 20, 2013.

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Better books, Game Of Thrones or Lord Of The Rings

  1. LOTR

    38 vote(s)
    63.3%
  2. GOT

    22 vote(s)
    36.7%
  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent JCC Game Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I have read neither. Just curious.
     
  2. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Which do you prefer, apples or oranges?
     
  3. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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    I haven't read Game of Thrones beyond midway through CoK, but I plan on reading up to date once the current run of the HBO series has finished. Having said that, I still expect my vote to side with LotR.
     
  4. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    As a fantasy literary experience, if you approach it with real enthusiasm and desire to become engrossed, LOTR is basically unsurpassable.
     
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  5. Point Given

    Point Given Manager Emeritus/2x Baseball Draft WINNA star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Both have major strengths and weaknesses but the more relatable characters and moral ambiguity of GoT overcomes my nostalgia for for LoTF.
     
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  6. Everton

    Everton Force Ghost star 10

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    If the two are going to go head to head, perhaps this poll should be placed on hold for 50 years. :p
     
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  7. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    They're not really comparable. LotR is straight high fantasy and established the modern genre as we know it. A Song of Ice and Fire-- not "Game of Thrones," the title of the first book and the name of the TV adaptation-- is in many ways a deconstruction of tropes Tolkien established/popularized, including pointing out the flaws of a medieval setting. This is like comparing Star Trek and Star Wa-- oh, wait.
     
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  8. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Hmmm... overly indulgent descriptions of trees, or overly indulgent descriptions of food... Decisions, decisions...
     
  9. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    BOILED LEATHER
     
  10. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    LotR is ancient epic story, great battle and saga, as well as the great setting and history, but the characterization is a bit too vague. Song of Ice and Fire focus on characterization and power struggle.
     
  11. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    It's hard to assess Martin's saga as a complete work when it is, as yet, incomplete. We still don't fully understand what is going on in a cosmological or theological sense, nor do we have the benefit of looking back over the choices each character has made in the context of where he or she winds up. With Tolkien, we understand all of that much better, not only from the texts themselves but also by virtue of his voluminous letters to fans, and other explanatory or clarifying passages. With Martin we're all still kind of guessing.

    That said, I voted for LOTR because of what EmperorBillyBob wrote: "As a fantasy literary experience, if you approach it with real enthusiasm and desire to become engrossed, LOTR is basically unsurpassable." In short, I've enjoyed ASoIaF immensely, but the beauty of Tolkien's language and the indelible, mythic quality of his creations is unlikely ever to be surpassed.
     
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  12. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    This will probably come down to whether one prefers high fantasy or low fantasy.
     
  13. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Not really, they're both HF.

    ETA: Or are they? Let's discuss.
     
  14. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I never read the Game of Thrones but i would choose LOTR, more popular too
     
  15. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent JCC Game Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I undertsand the differences very well. It's not about apples and oranges it's popular fantasy thingy vs popular fantasy thingy. High vs low fantasy is not 100% important, this fantasy story vs that is important. LOTR unsurpassable? Well, as I post this 3 people disagree. I almost want to inject an opinion that there are a handful of gems in the rough in D&D that are incredible, and Donaldson's Thomas Covenat Chronicles is just about the best thing I have ever read in fanatsy, but I have not read the LOTR books, only The Hobbit.
     
  16. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    The universe as a whole is high fantasy, but there are low fantasy tropes and character arcs.
     
  17. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    They're different series doing different things, and they're both unsurpassed at doing what they want to do. We're probably better off leaving it at that.
     
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  18. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Spokesman of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    As usual in random internet polls, I'll go with the one I've actually read/know anything about. LOTR it is.
     
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  19. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent JCC Game Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I should add, there is much LOTR fandom here, and much GOT fandom here. At least as far as I can see there have not been threads to match them. So, I threw them head ot head to see what folks like better.
     
  20. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    I see what you mean. It's all subjective anyway. But if we're going to classify or define something (as a "fantasy thingy", for example), I think we should be clear about what we mean.

    Apples and oranges are both fruits. Both are a mixture of cellulouse, sugars and seeds. Both are tasty and delicious to varying degrees to varying people.

    LOTR and ASOIAF are both "fantasy thingy"s. Both are a mixture of medieval (or Iron Age) culture, arcane magic, pagan and Judeo-Christian theology, and um, dragons. Both are tasty and delicious to varying degrees to varying people.

    But the similarities end there. To name one of a quabillion differences, LOTR can be read and loved by adults, but its subject matter is not "adult".

    Hence, apples and oranges. They're very different fruits. :cool:
     
  21. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Depending on how you define HF and LF, I generally agree with this. Both are HF worlds within which some LF characters and tropes intermingle with the save-the-world HF stuff. On that score, though, I'd argue that LOTR is more HF than ASOIAF, if you can resist getting lost in the acronyms.
     
  22. VadersLaMent

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  23. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't even I can't what are you huh?
     
  24. Kiki-Gonn

    Kiki-Gonn Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I've got to go LOTR but I will say GOT (I call it that too) is the only fantasy series I've read that deserves to even step into the ring (hehe) with the granddaddy of them all.
     
  25. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    1 thing I don't like about LotR is it's too black/white, many characters didn't have enough personality.​