Full Series The Clone Wars 7.12 - Victory and Death (SERIES FINALE!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

It's been implied since Revenge of the Sith that whatever happens to clones, they "know" on some implanted subconscious level that Sidious exists and is their ultimate master. In Shattered Rex specifically says "Yes, Lord Sidious" and even Cody and Gree in ROTS know enough to acknowledge him as "my lord" when acknowledging the order.

I believe the implication is that loyalty to Sidious (not just the Sith in general, but specifically him) is part of the indoctrination. Which makes sense, Palpatine wouldn't want to give any apprentice of his reason to think they can usurp him and turn the clones against him. They have to be loyal to him and only him.

Taking it further, it also ensures that if Order 66 is triggered or discovered ahead of time (as almost happened with Fives and Tup) a wayward clone cannot out Palpatine and Sidious as being the same. What if Tup had started ranting about doing what he did in the name of the Chancellor when he gunned down Master Tiplar?

 

The point I'm trying to make is that EVERYTHING is supposed to be canon now. That's what we were told. Not 'the majority of its parts' because they decided to toss out what they said originally.

 

What is seen onscreen has ALWAYS trumped novels. Its been that way since the dawn of time.

 

No? There's no George anymore. No gospel canon. All are equal. Lucasfilm set the new rules. And TCW isn't a movie. It's a TV show. There's never been a rule for SW that "on screen trumps novels" only "What comes from George trumps all else," and not just things seen on screen, just "From George."

This ain't Star Trek!

 

Was speaking of all movies, not just Star Wars Universe.

 

@DarthFixxxer

Knock off the baiting.

Also let's get back on topic everyone.

 

That I liked most was after the cruiser is down, the battle is over, Maul is away and they have landed. The epilogue in other words. Slow, eerie, sad, a perfect tone.

I think the series began with Anakin and Obi Wan as the leads. Ahsoka takes over this show.

 

I have absolutely no idea what you refer to as baiting.

But I have no problem continuing an on topic discussion, as I thought I had been.

 

You can PM me if you would like to discuss the comment.

 

So Ahsoka didn't get proper goodbyes with a couple of people close to her did she? She never got a proper goodbye with Padme and Plo-Koon. What must have that felt like?

 

She must have felt horrible. Padme's death would have probably been talked about on the Holo-Net. Or she could have found out from Bail.

 

Rex calls him lord Sidious most likely the name was built into the chips

 

I wonder if Bail knew what Anakin did to Padme, and if he did, why didn’t he tell Ahsoka?

 

Ahsoka thought he was lost in Order 66 though right? So would Bail have really told Ahsoka what happened? Or do you think Bail would have just pushed it aside and told her what happened from a different standpoint?

 

I think Bail kept most of what he witnessed in episode III to himself, the less people that know the better. Especially since his life, and that of his daughters depend on nobody knowing what really happened.
Hence why he "verified" Obi-Wans death when the Rebels crew asked him about it in season 3.

 

Did Ahsoka sense Plo Koon's death?

 

My assumption is she was to preoccupied with whatever happened to Anakin to pay attention to what was happening to the other Jedi. At very least that's the impression I was left with during the episode since he is the only Jedi she mentions by name when Order 66 goes down.

She probably reached out later looking for survivors only to recognize Plo and everyone else missing from the living force, which would be a more silent contemplation as opposed to her more vocal concern over Anakin which was far more sudden for her. Not to mention by the time the clones started turning on the Jedi she had to prioritize her own survival over everything else.

 

Considering that he knows what Jesse went through in Umbara, and yet has to see his old comrade become the complete anthesis of his former self, it's not surprising that Rex blamed the inhibitor chip for everything in Order 66. Kanan may think of it as a weak excuse for the clones to avoid responsibility and guilt for what they have done but for Rex, it wasn't an excuse. Order 66 killed his entire company in mind, even before the crash killed their bodies. Instead of dying for a glorious cause, they end up dying as rabid dogs following a wrongful order.

In a way, it's quite fitting that when Order 66 finally landed in TCW, it's the only instance of Order 66 where there were no Jedi victims. Ahsoka escaped and she had no other Jedi accompanying her. Maul escaped as well. Thus the only victims of Order 66 in that instant were ironically the clones and the droids. Thus you can see how it affects Rex's perspective compared to Kanan's. Kanan actually witnessed his master's death but not the sacrifice Commander Grey made to save his life, thus coloring his perspective on the clones. Rex didn't witness any Jedi being killed by his own brothers (thanks to him saving Ahsoka) but saw his brothers die as monsters instead of as men.

 

D'oh! How could I have missed those moments.

 

Pretty much. The "everything is canon" was such a gimmick anyway and there was no way it could last under the current structure of LFL. You need 1 visionary in charge of everything to pull that off or it won't work.

Come on. Even if they didn't use the words verbatim, that's clearly what their job was. If an a book is canon, that means everything in it happened. That's the definition.

 

The finale was excellent imo, definitely a 10. The Phantom Apprentice episodes felt cinematic in scale, and the Vader scene was a good transition to Rebels.

It would be awesome to see some show that depicts Ahsoka and Rex in the very early days of the Empire. My only complaint re: season 7 is that Anakin and Padme should have gotten more screen time, although season 6 did a good job of leading into ROTS on it's own too. I'd also been hoping we'd get some closure for the Illum younglings but that can be a story for another time.

Overall it felt like the perfect conclusion to TCW. Dark, tragic but forward looking. Made me want to rewatch Rebels just to see the story continue! If she wasn't already, Ahsoka deserves to be considered a SW main character up there with Anakin and Obi Wan. It will be very interesting to see what they do with her in live action.

 

The final four episode arc is some of the best of Star Wars. I knew they had something special when they brought back the Lucasfilm Ltd. logo. The ending of the Clone Wars is probably a better ending than any of the movies (with a possible exception for TESB)

 

Rogue One has the best ending, IMO. In my view, the very end of ESB is nothing too special (though the Vader-Luke conflict is gold, if you’re counting that as part of the ending). But TCW definitely stuck the landing, and is one of the best Star Wars conclusions out there.

 

Don’t worry there are a lot of missable moments of small pieces of dialogue