ST The Development Of The Sequel Trilogy

They could have done both Star Wars Skywalker saga stories and other Star Wars stories. It didn’t need to be just one or the other. In fact, I thought that was supposed to be their original plan: that some of the films would be a part of the Skywalker family story, including at least one new GOOD skywalker character to follow into the future, and other films set in the Star Wars galaxy , but with completely different characters and settings.

And if they would have continued the story that Lucas started with the PT and the OT instead of rebooting what came before, they could have created many new characters that could have branched off into new parts of the galaxy and completely new stories, by using some of the new Jedi knights that Luke SHOULD have successfully trained and that should NOT have been killed off in a new purge as the filmmakers had happen offscreen before the ST even began. Or, the filmmakers could have created other totally new characters from space pirates to explorers to bounty hunters to GFFA scientists to mobile doctors in space traveling from crisis to crisis. The possibilities were endless, and they instead chose to tell pretty much the same story that George Lucas told in an inferior way and with inferior characters, making the galaxy seem smaller instead of larger at the same time.

It would have been so much better to have both all new stories with all new unrelated characters, while also continuing the Skywalker family story with a new generation of good Skywalkers. There would have been something for everyone.

 

I dunno whether they needed to go any further than a 3rd generation for the skywalkers. it might have gone abit far jumping ahead for a 4th. but the saga should have been for the skywalkers. other films could focus on other characters.

 

I agree I think the third generation should have ended the 'Skywalker' saga you could still have had the 'Skywalkers' in other films it would be interesting to see them just be a regular family and Jedi and then may start a new 'saga' for them sometime in the future a few generations later.

 

Episode IX: The Last Skywalker

 

https://collider.com/star-wars-9-jj-abrams-george-lucas-midichlorians/

https://web.archive.org/web/19991103105353/http://www.eonline.com/News/More/lucas5.html

Mitochondria are inherited through the mother, at least in humans. Something seems to be off with the Palpatine-son/clone-Rey lineage (but not with Anakin-Leia-Ben) If Dagobah Vader was also Luke under that mask, who is Dark Rey? She quotes Leia's 'don't be afraid' line.

Also, from the same 1999 interview (or press conference):

Spartacus/Skywalker. The rise of Spartacus. But everyone was Spartacus at the end of Kubrick's film. Everyone was Skywalker.

According to Lucas c.1975-76, the first jedi descended from the -'holy man named Skywalker'. They were his grandchildren.

 

Pablo Hidalgo

We speculated about this for a while but think this is the first time he's not vaguely saying or avoiding to confirm about whether Thea and Skyler
were related when GL gave his treatments to Disney.

 

Hadn't thought about this thread - scanned through some early posts and a few things still stick out to me. Not really trying to debate - just observations.

1 - Mark Hamill sounded the alarm bells early.
2 - Disney really tried to blame everything on George Lucas. The audacity.
3 - This is bigger than SW but it's *interesting* the response when others see a representation/image/message problem.

 

@godisawesome
It's from a recent Twitter thread

Don't forget they also played with making her a Kenobi at some point according to Daisy Ridley. I personally didn't have any issue with Rey Random as a concept but if that was the answer given at the end of the second movie of the trilogy, then they should have committed to this rather than this back-and-forth we ended up with.

 

'Generational offspring the filmmakers went with' can also mean Lando. The Skylar>Kylo-Finn thing.

 

I still think it was some time in late 2017 - early 2018, after Fisher died, making Rey Solo/Skywalker trickier. I suspect this played a part in Trevorrow leaving.

 

In Trevorrow's Duel of the Fates draft Kylo killed Rey's parents when he was a child alongside the Knights of Ren and under Snoke's orders. Her real name was Rey Solana, a mix between Solo and Organa, but otherwise still made her a nobody. It could have changed during development but we'll never know how since they replaced him with JJ.

 

There are alot of people who, or some reason wanted Rey to be a nobody. for whatever reason there is this belief that after the PT that Star Wars become about being related and that it would be more interesting if they moved away and made her a nobody

 

I find that common of hardcore SW fans - most who have consumed previous EU material (novels) and want something else but for +95% of SW audience has never read an EU comic or book. There isn't a lot of SW stories already told - there had only been 6 real SW movies until Disney bought them and have nearly doubled that.

All those other stories that hardcore fans have new for decades are new to GA. Just like MCU stories were.

I think some in that echo chamber were obviously within LFL. The notion that things were too connected- hence Rey Nobody (that they backtracked).

Filoni's stories are all about the interconnectedness of the GFFA and he's been given even more power over stories.

 

Was there a belief that Lucas' treatment wasn't about two relations, or anyone in the Skywalker family? That seems odd considering he's gone on record about saying his idea for a post-OT story was going to be about the children or grandchildren of the Skywalker/Solo clan.

 

I clearly remember reading that part of the reason Trevorrow was out was because Leia was more heavily in his story and he couldn't rework it to take her out - I know I didn't dream that up.

Someone told me that they had read that Rey was a Skywalker/Solo up until TFA started shooting. I remember reading that, at some point, Finn and Han were also supposed to see that whole dream sequence from touching the saber? (Where is @MagnarTheGreat ).

Seemed really easy for them too. They could just steer into the Lucas hating fans from the PT and coast.

I want to know whose bright idea it was to never reunite Luke, Han and Leia on a screen and who signed off on it and thought it was a good idea. I want to know who decided Lando shouldn't show up until everyone else was dead too. But what I really really want to know is who decided that making three movies to end the Skywalker Saga was best done by three different people who apparently rarely communicated, with no one sitting down and determining how best to finish it off. Although reading that Iger said yes to the Solo movie after reading that ridiculous "you have no people" nonsense certainly explains why the OT gang was treated as they were. For someone supposedly so savvy about making money, that they would trash the golden IP that is Star Wars is amazing to me. Then I read that and his "well, what did George expect" and I'm not surprised.

I remember writing that, if TLJ didn't tell us who Rey's parents were, then Kennedy and the rest of them should be tied into chairs like Clockwork Orange for opening weekend until they understood why it needed to be settled - the whole Solo vs Skywalker fight was poison for two years.

The whole story of how the ST ended up the mess it is - and make no mistake, no matter what you think of the movies, LFL has been lurching from one thing to another without a clear plan since Disney bought it - has the makings of a great podcast series. Except people have to break their NDAs.

 

I always want to say what development or arrested development.

 

This could be what happened, but I find it ki d of hard to believe. If there was any single element of the ST that Disney probably wanted nailed down before production started, then it would be Rey. She's the big new character, and her identity had to be filled out before marketing could really begin. At the very least, they must have been in agreement that she was *basically* the new Skywalker character, from a marketing standpoint. It would be weird for LFL to be the ones that first went sour. Do you think it was Hidalgo and the story group?

It seems that Johnson did work more closely with the story group than Abrams though.

 

@Glitterstimm

This is why i see The Last Jedi as more or less how Lucasfilm views the Sequel Trilogy in house since it was 100% a Lucasfilm production and in some instances it seemed Abrams kinda went Rogue on Lucasfilm.

 

Yeah, it seems clear that LFL would have preferred to not be working for/with Bad Robot. TLJ appears to be more the movie they wanted than TFA, but I'm still not convinced they were actually set on "Rey Random" at any point, except as a tool to draw out the reveal.

 

I think Rey was always gonna be "The Skywalker" and even take the name Skywalker by the end.

I just don't think they had down whether she was a "Random" or "Lost Child" or what we got "A Palpatine"

But I do think she was destined to be "The Skywalker" and it was just which road to get there that they didn't have set in stone.

 

Rey Skywalker (TROS) is implicit in TLJ.

Snoke: 'Skywalker, I assumed. Wrongly'.

This is irony now. Skywalker, not Luke - although he was talking about Luke.

'His equal in the light would rise'. He assumed the rise of Skywalker.

'The last jedi' was both Luke and Rey. Same thing.

He also talked about 'Skywalker' in TFA. 'If Skywalker returns the new jedi will rise'. That would be Ben, maybe. Or Anakin. (Or both, much like the Fisher King and his grandson in the myth)