Amph The Disney/Pixar Movies Thread (for anything non-Marvel/SW)

What’s wrong with Shrek? It’s subversive, witty, stylish, and Eddie Murphy is Eddie Murphy, which is to say he’s brilliant. And, funnily enough, its ending actually rectifies the problem outlined above with Beauty and the Beast’s ending. And Fahrquad’s insignia essentially being the Facebook logo goes in my “clues from the simulation” file.

 

Giving up her voice didn't get her what she wanted though - she "fails the challenge" (because Ursula cheats). What gets her the permanent transformation is Triton's change of heart.

Triton probably undergoes the most character development for the better in the movie - not Eric or Ariel.

 

Bacon is really well-informed about the film industry and cares about his broader trends. This leads him to sometimes support stuff that is completely intolerably terrible if he thinks it will help the overall health of the art form. See also: his endorsement of Avatar.

 

So is this the part where I, a known James Cameron fanboy, am supposed to stridently charge forward and indignantly try to explain why Avatar Is Actually Awesome while everyone points and laughs?

 

why does everyone think I like Shrek? i hate it and its embrace of lazy irony and ****** 3D animation, it singlehandedly ushered in a permanent dark age for animation.

 

Disney was better when it was doing 2D animated musicals. Now that it's doing computer animated movies, it's just a dime a dozen.

 

Beauty and the Beast is set in Medieval times? I thought it was at the earliest 1600s. Gaston has a blunderbuss. The art style largely takes inspiration from the Ichabod segment of Ichabod and Mr.Toad. That’s a colonial America story. I thought Beauty and the Beast was set at similar time period in France.

I mean it’s a fantasy version of rural France, but it’s clearly after thr time of knights.

Shrek. Woof. There was an arts festival near me that Smashmouth played as a free concert. The internet wanted to use the show to set a world record of the largest gathering of people dressed like Shrek.

So few people showed up it didn’t even set the record.

ChatGPT’s punched up version of my comment.

Recently, a local arts festival featured a free concert by Smashmouth, and the internet buzzed with excitement about a proposed world record attempt for the largest gathering of people dressed like Shrek. Unfortunately, despite the hype, the turnout was disappointingly low, and the attempt fell short of setting a new record. It seems that the dream of breaking this particular record will have to wait for another day.

 

Shrek does have a good twist on the Beauty and the Beast story .

 

its literally set in the year 1740 if we want to get specific

 

why

why do you know that

 

Beauty and the Beast is one of the greatest films ever made, but yeah, the ending never quite lands for me.

My ideal ending: the Beast succumbs to his injuries, Belle whispers "I love you", the spell is broken, the servants revert back to human form, the Beast's body transforms to that of the Prince, Belle cradles this new body (sobbing but grateful), flash-forward to Belle and her father bidding adieu to the Castle and heading out to the road to Paris for a new adventure (allowing her an escape from "this provincial life").

 

They both become beasts at the end?

What do you think happens after the ending we got? What does 1741 look like for Belle and the Beast? (Whats the Beast’s real name?)

 

I mean it looks like the Beast is dead in that version.

 

The Beast changes back because that was the condition of the curse.
If he had not changed back, he would be dooming his staff to a life of living as ornaments because they were cursed alongside him.

The transformation is more about being a bad person. He was punished because he wasn't good, when he learned to love and be loved in return he was restored.

I also don't get this hate for Shrek.
The success of that franchise finally gave Disney some competition.
DreamWorks produced Kung Fu Panda & How to Train Your Dragon, without Shrek's success it would have been much harder to get those made and compete with the likes of Pixar

 

omg nvmd

 

It just comes down to personal taste. The ending of Beauty and the Beast works for 99.999% of viewers, I'm sure; I just happen to be a sucker for bittersweet/melancholic endings to romances. I'd rather see Belle's story conclude with suffering the loss of the love of her life, but triumphant in having saved his soul and the lives of the servants. The whole Belle-as-princess thing leaves me a bit unsatisfied.

But, again, I'm just kvetching over a masterpiece. Beauty stands as the crown jewel of the 90s Renaissance.

 

waiting 4 Richie to regurgitate the text or basic facts of the film without actually addressing what you're saying.

 

i don't understand the hate for shrek, its success gave us so much more of the thing you hate!

 

I have to admit I’m not following the Shrek killed animation line of thought quite as clearly as the MCU killing cinema one.

 

Especially since animation is still great, often outperforming live action in consistent quality for the last 2 decades.

I'm not personally a fan of CG animation over hand drawn (though that has limitations), but it's here to stay and as long as the stories are good I'm not bothered how stuff looks

 

thanks for your contribution

 

Liked Shrek, I thought while not great it was good and it worked as, as it was marketed as, the greatest fairy tale never before (or before would be) told. I think most of the best comedies are good because or when the non-comedy elements are also good (80-95% of the Shrek sequels tried to get buy on just being funny/ironic and so fell flat).

I think not it or Toy Story but them plus Ice Age and Finding Nemo did kill off traditional animation, also it was that Titan A.E. and Atlantis and other traditional animation movies around that time were trying to go more for serious action-adventure for tween boys, which I liked but most tween/teen boys didn't, they weren't into sci fi generally or had grown out of animation and weren't ready to give it another chance and/or saw it as only still good when it went really comedy/parody (and CGI animation, I guess in big part because of Shrek but also Ice Age, was associated with being parody).

 

It’s basically the same picture: over reliance on irony and mediocre craft, but also because after the success of Shrek, Dreamworks chose to focus on 3D animation and had further hits, Disney countered by also relying on 3D animation and an entire medium was destroyed for all time. I hate Shrek.

 

Yeah, you articulated that better than I could.
The cast does overall feel the part… just not sure about Peter, his voice is just a little too old/deep for Peter Pan but we’ll see.



edit:

On the Shrek debate. It did spark some needed shakeup. It obviously filled a craving from the audience.

But I can see some ripple effects I don’t like. For example the way the narration at the beginning/end of Tangled just really breaks immersion for some snarky meta commentary. Emperor’s new groove was a bigger culprit of immersion-breaking, and I think that was before Shrek. But yeah. I like immersion, and a fairy tale that takes the important parts seriously. Frozen handled the meta commentary much better.

I also miss beautiful 2D Disney animation. I liked the original idea of Tangled/Rapunzel as a living oil painting.