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Lit The Empire's future: the First Order, or the Fel Dynasty & Imperial Knights?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Ghost, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. PCCViking

    PCCViking Chosen One star 10

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    Think National Treasure, only Star Wars-style. Nicholas Cage as one of the Rebel spies, and his character's father as a Rebel officer/handler. :D

    But back to the topic at hand. Even though technically there was a break in the continuity of the Empire in Legends, the Imperial Remnant was clearly meant to be the spiritual successor of the Galactic Empire.

    The First Order, on the other hand, just a fan boys club basically.
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I keep going back to Marvel comics for this but I think Snoke has his own ideas on how the galaxy should work. Whether he's an ex-Imperial ala the Red Skull or some kind of ancient evil supernatural being, I get the idea he's much more obsessed with loyalty and ideology than Palpatine was. Palpatine recruited a bunch of incredibly self-interested murderous jerkasses who were only interested in what they could get from the Empire while Snoke has tried to make a First Order which is all into the belief structure of the First Order.

    I don't think Snoke wants to resurrect the Empire if Gallius Rax is any indication but make something similar but reformed.
     
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  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Similar but 'better'.

    I think the Empire continuing to fight for another fifteen years after Endor is probably what saved it in Legends. When it proposed surrender in earnest, it was agreed simply because they were no threat, the Second Imperium aside.

    I know the Empire made at least two attempts at a treaty before the Bastion Accords (a welcome addition to Legends as someone should have woken up a lot earlier and gone 'okay we lost, truce?' than 19 ABY).


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  4. PCCViking

    PCCViking Chosen One star 10

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    Wasn't one of the attempts successfully sabotaged (as opposed to Disra's attempts in the HOT duology), and wasn't Thrawn involved in that sabotage?
     
  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, it involved a constitutional monarchy with Palpatine's niece as Empress. GrandAdmiralJello specialises in that tidbit.


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  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, Her Imperial Highness Princess Ederlathh is the rightful claimant to the galactic throne and ought to be the empress in the Legends continuity.


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  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Did you pick up that fanfic, incidentally?


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  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I've has zero time to write for a very long time, but I'd like to.


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  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Tag me if you ever do get around to it. I would positively love to read it.


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  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The Noghri were - it's not clear if Thrawn was. Given the "Palpatine Reborn was the one who arranged that the Noghri Rukh assassinate Thrawn" theory - maybe something similar could apply to Ederlathh?

    It wouldn't be the first time he'd killed members of his own family after all.
     
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  11. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Same
     
  12. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Incomparable. One was a strongly covered up event, while the other was Saturday Morning Cartoon villainy. When you cover up something, there is regret, or rather realization that it isn't going to be well-accepted by the public. That's Project Starscream. Operation Cinder is basically openly going 'we are evil, we will kill everything now that we have lost even though we still have 25k Star Destroyers and the Rebel Alliance is still a small faction'.
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, I did post two chapters. Just haven't updated it in... actual years.


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  14. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Where's the first two chapters?
     
  15. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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  16. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm mildly glad I've brought up this aside as its superb reading.


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  17. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  18. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Aren't you a mod? That's bullying and just mean.
     
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  19. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I'd very much like to do it sooner, but I had to scrap my WIP third chapter so I'm looking to replace it with something else.


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  20. PCCViking

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    It will still be sooner than Winds of Winter's release. ;)
     
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  21. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Given the amount of posting and activity you've demonstrated, I wouldn't say 'depressed' fits! 'Not happy' would probably fit better, but that's beside the point which is this:

    There's hundreds of EU stories, few if any posters love all of them and those that some greatly dislike will be your favourites or vice versa. If you truly want to discuss all the variois books and comics of Legends, then you need a way of accepting that.
     
  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    To be fair, that was the plan of one Admiral which never really got off the ground. It also would have been a monumental failure given Emperor Palpatine was alive and unwell in the Deep Core. I'd like to mention I think a large part of why I enjoy the Nu Canon is because it's a combination of Dark Empire and The Hand of Thrawn into one single story element without either story's more silly beats.
     
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  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Well in that case go the whole hog and bring in Megatron, Soundwave and Shockwave.
     
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  24. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I do notice they really are doubling down on the Empire=Nazis thing in the Nu Canon. Operation: Cinder seems very much like Hitler's order to destroy Germany.
     
  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The "Red Black & White" Empire "flag" imagery in Empire Day was a bit eye-catching:

    I think around that time, Imperial Handbook came out, with actual flags done the same way:

    and I think this image was from one of the FFG Star Wars books - also published during the early newcanon era:

     
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