A/V The EPISODE IX - Rise of Skywalker - Thread - Untagged Spoilers Allowed!

TROS concept artist Jon McCoy posted an awesome blog post looking at some of his design process for that movie. There’s a lot of pretty cool and different visuals there, including very abstract visuals of Rey and Kylo in a throne room and, one of my favorites, the ash-covered Coruscant. Check it out!

 

This is intresting, help explain Palpatine's return in a way makes perfect sense.

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I found this intresting regarding Palpatine and quest for Immortality, since before the saga movies begin. And how all his work ties in with TROS, the animated shows help explain it and his masters knowledge.

 

Well one thing I’ve always liked about Rise of Skywalker is how intentionally (or probably unintentionally) it tapped into a lot of the Canon material regarding Palpatine and how it all seems to lead to a big comeback scheme

 

Agreed and how they seem to be setting him up as the big bad in for the sequels especially with snoke as I think about it.

 

I was thinking about Norse mythology this morning and realized the image of Palpatine hanging from his machine reminds me of Odin hanging from the tree after giving up an eye and killing himself. Of course Palpatine is fully blind here. And while this could just be coincidental, the deleted scene with the Oracle, who is basically just a head with legs, is too strong a parallel to the future-seeing head of Mimir to ignore.

Are there other potential Norse parallels, whether intentional or not?

Certainly the Sith fleet gathering for the final battle reminds me of Ragnarok. And it makes me wish the Sith troopers were clones of First Order troopers that excelled in battle because it would be a neat adaptation of the Valhalla myth. Then you have Starkiller Base in TFA eating the sun like Fenrir (or did he eat the moon?). I know most of these are likely accidental, but you never know. And it’s interesting either way, even if just as a cultural echo.

 

@Sauron_18

Great catch there and yes there are plenty more Norse mythology paralells in the ST and SW overall.

You can compare Kylo Ren to Loki. Though Rey also is partially a Loki figure whenever Kylo is more a Darkside version of Thor.

The Uneti Tree of Ahch-to sits on top of the Kyber Mirror Cave that may connect to the World between Worlds. And in mythology the Yggdrasil World Tree held all worlds in balance and accessible in its branches.

 

Since it was being flogged for £6.75, decided the hardback novel was worth a look. And it turned out to be quite a bit more than worthy.

Unlike TLJ, where despite his best efforts, I never found that Fry had sufficient leeway to boost the film, Carson has that and the book is better for it. She's able to add in little extra details that really amp it up neatly. From showing more of Exegol to how the Emperor cheated death.

All in all it was a fun, quick read and a rather unexpected surprise.

 

@Sauron_18

Read the Novelization

 

The novelization really cleans up the entire beginning of the film

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That too!


So like...Not sure where to put it so i'll ask here.

I wonder who got chose to go to Exeogl from the Unknown Region escapies and who was chosen to form the First Order?

 

I’m on it! I finally bought it a few weeks ago and started reading it.

 

Praise the Force

I want full details when you finished reading cuz the ongoing joke has gone on for so long it needs a satisfying conclusion

Lol, we all kid of course but at least it makes for good reference point if trying to guess what the heck they might do next

 

I just read a passage in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor where the Rogues are in an overwhelming fight against Shadowspawn/Blackhole's forces, trying to deal with the gravity well generators seeded throughout the system and Janson saying "we need a miracle" when Lando drops out of hyperspace with a Mon Cal cruiser saying "anyone ask for a miracle?"

It's so akin to Lando dropping in to Exegol with the People's Fleet that it's hard not to think someone read this book and lifted the idea on a large scale. Kind of like a lot of the Dark Empire callbacks are essentially DE, but on a larger scale. Not just in TROS, but the entire ST. Starkiller is a bigger Galaxy Gun, Luke saving the day at Crait is like Luke on Coruscant but bigger and more Walkers.

 

Really, now that I'm re-visiting Mindor... the whole "dark lord takes over young Jedi's body to continue to reign" thread has almost more in common with Cronal trying to possess Luke than anything Palpatine did in DE. He did threaten to take over Luke, but the Cronal plot has a subterranean Shadow Throne and weird sci-fantasy apparatus and bizarre cultists in robes. Plus the star system plagued with anomalies that makes navigation treacherous.

Stang, Cronal's even confined to a hovering chair full of life support because his body is so frail!

 

Snoke came right from the Lord Shadow's Pawn gambit for certain! Palpatines pawn all along.

 

Now Cronal wants to take over Leia's body! TROS is like DExMindor for sure!

 

I wonder if in hindsight the ST would have benefited from changing the ending of Last Jedi to have Leia go out heroically on Crait and bring Luke back for IX, since Carrie died a full year before TLJ was released.

 

Certainly an epic idea for her, but not so much for his arc. Both ends fit them as they are best I think. If you leave Luke on Ach-to and give his Crait scenes to Leia, then you need a good reason for him to have learned nothing during the entire movie. Like revealing something that changes the entire perspective in the end as to why he didn't leave. Like he is guarding some bigger evil there or such as in the Art of TFA and TLJ concepts for Ach-to. Imagine Luke guarding Palpatines spirit on Ach-to entrapping him from returning. Snoke being truly himself, and with Leia's death at Crait Luke is shaken enough so that Palpatine can slip away and return in TROS. With previously him only barely managine to reach out for Snoke sometimes but not all the time.
That way in IX Luke could in the flesh return to the Resistance, overshadow the new cast heroes quite some, and die not by going out to fight himself, but rather protecting the Resistance with passive Forcepowers and the like in the battle leaving the fighting to the younger folks. But that'd weaken Kylo's redemption without Leia. Luke does not work the same way there. So to have his redemption solely rely on Rey, Luke needs to be busy elsewhere. Maybe he could on Kijimi when the Stardestroyer superlaserblasts it and Luke freezes the blast with the Force (like Kylo did in TFA) just on a grander scale and long enough to have Kijimi folks escape and join the Resistance as Luke perishes with the continuing blast having bought them some time.

I wish though that Broomboy would have been in IX. Kinda attached to Finn (who was the FO's broomboy once) and learning from him like in Matrix that kid did from Neo.

 

I can remember thinking in the theatre that this was where the "Mary Poppins" scene was going.

 

They cut out the song, "Feed the Porgs" from the final cut.

 

And now it's stuck in my head.

 

Don't forget "Let's Go Fly a TIE."

 

I think it is under appreciated that kyber crystals bond with their Jedi, and that Rey is literally wielding a bit of Anakin and a bit Leia against Palpatine. It's more than the symbolism of their sabers, the crystals themselves have something of Anakin and Leia as part of them in the Force.