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Senate The European Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by DANNASUK, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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  2. Juliet316

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  3. Thena

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  4. Thena

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    I was wondering if anyone here has been following the Sanna Marin controversy. Admittedly I don't know all of the facts but I do find it fascinating that people certainly seem to have very strong opinions about what's happened.
     
  5. Lord Vivec

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    So Ukraine is passing a law that will exempt companies with under 250 workers from workforce laws. Over 70% of the Ukrainian workforce work for companies that have less than 250 workers, and those workers now lose rights that would normally be guaranteed to them. They're also passing laws that allows for zero hour contracts, which are contracts that do not have regular work, but require an employee to be "on call" in case they are needed to work. Fun fact: You don't get paid for the time you are "on call." This is, of course, only possible because Ukraine had all major socialist parties banned. There is simply no left wing opposition in government to the neoliberals or the conservatives. And before some pretend leftist here tells me "um sweaty it's okay for Ukraine to do all these horrible things to its own workers they're being invaded," this has been an ongoing trend since Euromaiden. Ukraine has been liberalizing its labor laws (for the Americans, this is a bad thing because it means less protections for workers) in an effort to get western investors.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/ukraine-draft-law-5371-workers-rights-war-russia/
     
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  6. blackmyron

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    With the massive droughts in Europe, it seems like every other ****ing article it is a variation of "Look At The Amazing Historical Treasures Revealed By Low Water Levels!"
     
  7. Obi Anne

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    From my point of view the Sanna Marin story is totally overblown - in fact her support has increased since a majority in Finland seems to think it's a silly thing to get upset over a 35-year old going out partying.
     
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  8. Thena

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    This is the sense I'm getting as well from reading the coverage from European media.
     
  9. Thena

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    Good.
     
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  11. Thena

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    I'm very curious to see where this goes. Could it lead to more countries demanding reparations from Germany?
     
  12. SW Saga Fan

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    Poland should also demand compensation from Russia (former Soviet Union) for also having invaded the country after the German-Soviet pact in 1939. I would also like to see how this will go as well, especially with a raging conflict next to its territory, between Russia and Ukraine right now.

    I think the Germans already paid enough after their defeat, humiliation, occupation and division of their territory by foreign powers and victors, just like Japan paid a high price with the nuclear bombing of their territory.
     
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  13. Mar17swgirl

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    Poland (and other Eastern European EU member states) also gets ****loads of money through Eurofunds to which Germany is the biggest contributor.
     
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  14. Obi Anne

    Obi Anne Celebration Mistress of Ceremonies star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Election day in Sweden. Last I saw from the opinion polls are that the two government alternatives are within 10 000 votes from each other, so basically well within any margins of error for both sides.

    The two options are either the blue-brown coalition where our far right party (standard racist, populist garbage) has been invited by the Christian democrats and the conservative party to join them. The Christian democrats have really joined up with the far right and what used to be a party of compassion is now all about punishing criminals. The conservative party is usually the main opposition party, but when the far right and the Christian democrats are shouting populist phrases from their top of the lungs they have now definetly taken a back seat. It will be interesting to see if they even manage to hold on to their position as second largest party. On this side you also have the Liberal party that was counted as loosing their seats in parliament earlier in the year, but with a change of party leader they look to keep around 4-5% of the vote. The party is basically split in two when it comes to supporting a government where the far right is also a part, and the far right has declared the liberal ideology as their main enemey so it will be interesting to see what happens between those paries.

    The other option is the Social democrats, which will still be the largest party. They are not large enough to form a government on their own. They are supported by the Greens, who despite a record warm summer hasn't managed to really get their environmental message through, instead they have become the scapegoat for the high energy and gas prices, and are painted as pure evil from the far right and Christian democrats. For the first time the Center party has also openly said that they will prefer a social democratic government. They are the only centre-right party that has taken a clear stance against the far right and has made it their issue that they do anything stop the far right from any kind of influence on the government. In economics the Center party is quite far to the right and that will be interesting since this coalition also needs the support from the Left party, where you still even have people that support communism. The Left have also declared that they will not automatically support a social democratic government unless they get what they want. The rift between the Centre and the Left is huge, and it will be interesting to see how the Social democrats can get them both to support a national budget.

    It's clear that Sweden will in all likelyhood not have a government when the counting of the votes is finished, instead we are in for a couple of weeks with negotiations before we have a government, that most likely will be a minority government but with a support from the majority.
     
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  15. TCF-1138

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    Lol, what, one local politician in Ånge? The Left party is at this point in time a classically social democratic party, unlike the Social Democrats. The communism accusations are groundless, and based in the Center's ridiculous and unfounded comparison between the Left and the nazis.
     
  16. Oissan

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    The matter got settled back in 1953. The whole thing is little more than a cheap ploy to garner political support from the public. If people are upset over something you've done, just distract them by pointing at someone else. This stuff pops up every few years, not just in Poland, but elsewhere as well.
     
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  17. Thena

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    What do you make of the results @Obi Anne ?
     
  18. TCF-1138

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    Exit polls aren't results. We're some time away from a result. It's an incredibly tight race, so at this point it's more or less impossible to say who'll win.
     
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  19. Sinrebirth

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    Frankly I loath exit polls and avoid them like the plague.
     
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  20. Lord Vivec

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    There are people who openly support communism even on the JCC!
     
  21. TCF-1138

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    Looking grim in Sweden right now. There's still hope, but it's a small one.
     
  22. Obi Anne

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    My reflections is that at the moment it is very unlikely that we will get anything but a blue-brown coalition government. They have 176 seats in parliament, compared to 175 for the red/green/center with only the last late postal votes to count. And most of those postal votes are from abroad, and Swedes abroad generally vote more to the right than the left. All in all it's less than 50 000 votes between the two options, and comparing to last election the blocks haven't really changed their totals much. The big game changer is that this time the parties on the right welcomed the far right party to join the government. And it is a disgrace that 20% of Swedes votes on a party which was founded as a nazi party back in the 1990s.

    The far right are the big winners of the election, but I would also say that the Social democrats are. They increased their share to more than 30% of the vote and is clearly the largest party in Sweden, they also took considerable local and regional wins including the regional election in Stockholm. Since we are heading into an energy crisis and recession it will probably be more comfortable for them to be in opposition for the coming period and not having to take the responsibility of government.

    The big losers are the conservative party. They invited the far right to the government, and apparently that made their voters go to the far right party. Why vote for the copy when the original is shouting the loudest? When it looked like we would get a red/green/center coalition I was hoping that the conservative party would see this as a signal and try to reform and transform themselves into the party they were 15 years ago, which was a much more compassionate and centrist party. It's hard to transform yourself while you are in government though.

    The other losers are all the small parties. All small parties shrunk, apparently the voters go to the main party of a coalition instead of supporting the little fishes. Sure the liberals and the greens survived and will remain in parliament, which looked unlikely at the start of the year, but it is getting harder to win votes from the larger parties. It's also the voters of small parties that are most likely to switch their votes from one election to the next.

    The Center party needs to take a long look at itself. They have been the traditional party for the countryside and very strong in local governments, Now they are almost viped out in the national elections on the countryside, where the voters go to the far right party as a protest against the big cities, and locally small local parties are taking their votes. In my region they have lost positions in municipalities where they have been the largest party since the beginning of democracy. How will they win back their core voters? The Center party's election losses are what explains how the red/green/center coalition lost, even if the Social Democrats increased their share of the vote and the Greens survived into parliament.

    So it is apparent that Sweden is a highly divided country, and the big rift is between the progressive cities and the more traditional countryside. I also fear for what will happen in a government where the largest party openly claim that they will do nothing to combat the climate crisis, and they even deny that we are in a climate crisis. Makes me think that the best option is to vote Green in the European Parliament Elections so that the EU can force more climate aware decisions on us.
     
  23. Lordban

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    It only takes two or three defections to change those maths. This is really not a stable configuration for government.
     
  24. DarthPhilosopher

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    It always astounds me that rural voters are often motivated to vote on issues which have very little impact upon their lives. They aren’t the ones, by and large, living with immigrants, yet they are very passionate about restricting immigration. I suppose it has always been the way that the rural voters have come to the aid of urban far-right demagogues and propped them up when the urban population has wanted to go in a different direction.
     
  25. Lordban

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    It always astounds me that urban voters consider their urban issues don't affect the rurals who make their sustainably living in cities in such large numbers possible in the first place.