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James Mangold, he who refused to insert Magneto in Logan despite fandom demands. tell the story you want to tell and if you tell a good story majority will love it. You can never please everyone but you won't please anyone if you try to fan-service all.

I think that RO proved that LF is ready to give up some money in order to tell a good story. They could have spared some characters for the sake of selling more action figures in the future but they didn't. If they have a great story that means "no more Jedi going forward" as Artoo-Dion thinks than it's worth the risk and they may create something equally iconic in the process. Exciting times.

 

Sure but they have different connotations.

Maybe he's just joshing around. But maybe he's not. I think whatever happens, Luke's new Jedi will have a different philosophy that will see them progress beyond the Jedi to date. This is all in the Bly book that RJ read in preparation imo. This doesn't mean the Jedi and everything about them are junked, it would mean that through Luke, they've grown stronger and wiser than ever. Whether they have a new name or not, this is happening. It makes a fantastic arc of the Jedi from the PT to the OT and across the ST.

 

Satipo Agreed with that and great use of Bly.

 

Exactly this. I think he's found a way to bring the light and the dark into balance - not by destroying or suppressing the other side, but by balancing the two individually. This is fantastic if this is where they are going. It's the next step on from the binary conflict we've seen so far. And we know the story group is seeding new ways of looking at the Force already. If this is what it is, bring it on.

 

Great thinking there, guys! Darth Chiznuk Satipo

 

I just can complain about TLJ if someone brings me the script and I read it (or after December). positivity!

 

I really recommend reading Bly's little book of shadow or at least checking out the Bly thread. There are loads of quotes that really shed some light on to this as a possible philosophy moving forwards.

 

So, when the title was confirmed, some people jumped to the conclusion "The Last Jedi = Luke will die". Now that we know what the title means, it was already obvious the same people would jump to the conclusion "The Final Jedi = Luke will die". By that logic, it also means "The Final Jedi = Luke and Rey will die" since we know the title is plural.

Being rational, it can mean a whole lot of things. Maybe that Luke establishes a new order of Force users, which are more balanced between the light and dark rather than the more extreme approaches of both the Jedi and Sith. Maybe something more similiar to the Bendu or the Whills.

 

I like to think that if Luke left in search of the first Jedi temple, it's not because he was crazy or depressed.....it's because he was looking for answers....and a solution.

I've been saying for years that Luke's legacy will be stronger by the end of the ST.......and one of the reason is that I think that we will see Luke build something unlike anything we've seen in a SW story.

 

I think if you read Bly, there is no way RJ read that and didn't take onboard some of the ideas about the shadow and balance.

 

Listening to the MSW Podcast:

"And I was like, ya know.. I mean, **** yeah dude ya know..I then I was like..and then he was like..**** man etc etc..yaaaaawwwnnn lol

 

and the Jedi going forward will be called Jedii.

 

come on guys, RJ's reply is just a joke, seem obvious to me! he's just being tongue in cheek. Maybe he just took 2 seconds to find something funny to say. And if you still doubt about it, come on, do you really think he would spoil his movie in a tweet??? makes no sense, it's just a joke...don't overthink it.

 

It's fundamental to Jungian thought and informs a lot of Campbell's thinking, too. That sort of thing is in the Star Wars DNA.

 

the idea that a Jedi cannot be attached because attachments lead to the darkside was disproven in ROTJ so in a way Luke already built a new Jedi order. i doubt he had access to much of the previous Jedi order anyway

I agree with pablo when he said using the darkside must come with consequences else why don't we have "grey" force users already

i think a new Jedi could be more inclusive, like you don't need to be even kenobi's level. people like chirrut culd be Jedi. maybe anyone could be a Jedi and it's more a matter of study than innate potential. being a Jedi isn't about telekinesis or force manipulation but just accepting it a doing its will

but just labeling the jedi as failed and "moving on" is not cool after we had 6 movies about them, which ended positively for them. i mean nothing in the OT implies the Jedi wouldn't thrive with Luke

 

If that's a reaction to a juicy spoiler, then I'm all for it. Just give us the spoilers!

 

the thing about Last or Final well thing is there are no Jedis out there besides Luke and Rey so they are both the Last Jedis. Does this mean something new or not? It's still debatable since nothing RJ said is even new.

 

Does being identified as, 'A Jedi' in new canon (and the current state of the GFFA) necessarily allude to one adhering to the dogmatic view of old? Perhaps Lukes ideal for a new Order, was an Order who's core belief was focused on fully understanding both the light/dark nature of the Force.

 

My thought is that Luke never really learned that lesson. And that's what came back to bite him during the years between ROTJ and TFA.

 

There's no practical difference between "Last" and "Final", so if RJ is asked what The Last Jedi means and he says The Final Jedi he's just saying the same thing with a different word. Nothing to get excited about.