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Resource The Fanon Thread | Announcing the GAMIEL GAMES Bonus Round! (noncompetitive; Dec. 7, p. 60, #1490)

Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by FanonSock, Nov 11, 2014.

  1. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    I did not mean to imply that the statment was bad, just wanted to make a joke. I meant that the FO greedly ate all of the pies so there was non left to be exported.

    I think that's what I would call 'thick pancakes' or 'American pancakes'
     
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  2. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    Will say I never really liked the concept of a completly evil race, its just not intresting just generic attac monsters basically. So maybe add something to them that´s at least a little bit positive.
     
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  3. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    My idea was that as an overall species so was they murderous, sadistic and cannibalistic and more or less unredeemable but I was thinking of having some exemplar characters and/or communities (to show how to use them in different ways) and among them either a character or smaller community of them that had decided that their traditional ways are wrong and through training/upbringing don't allow their darker impulses to rule them.
     
  4. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    I see, feels a bit black and white to me though, I mean even with the empire you could come up with some positives.
     
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  5. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    You don't have to have a completely evil race. Just one whose values are so different to ours, that they come across as evil, like the Yuuzhan Vong.

    I'm not good with 'evil', so my response to this particular subset of your requirements, did not get further than a few paragraphs when I was tackling this.

    I had a slave owner on Christophsis, who had those bird people out of the MedStar novels, Nediji, working for him.

    Since in Real Life, chicks hatching from eggs, imprint on the first face or being that they see, I had the Nedij that imprinted upon the Big Bad, as an unwavering loyal force, and I think that any race that does that imprinting stuff at birth / upon hatching, could, at least for this subset, be suitable.

    Why? I just went to the page to do just that, and note that just four words to the left, the words "star system" are already a link to the same place. So what does your suggestion do, that my existing link doesn't?
     
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  6. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    Oh. Aha. Ops. I admit that I did not actually click on the star system link since I did not understand that it would lead to the Induparan Crown Worlds.

    Then I suggest that you move the link from the 'star system' to the 'Induparan Crown Worlds' since if other people think like me so is it that part of the sentence that you focus.
     
  7. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    If you can miss one link, you can miss another.

    I'm happy with it as it is. :-B Mm, perhaps Spring water from the "collection of star systems that make up the Induparan Crown Worlds" doesn't translate to English as a Second Language as well as it does to a native speaker. For me, the sentence means that the "collection of star systems" and "Induparan Crown Worlds" are synonymous (eg. one and the same). So I can see where you are coming from, however, if you choose not to investigate an available link, that's your business.

    I have followed your other suggestions, thank you, and have SW wiki open at Ansion, for when I make that change.
     
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  8. Pandora

    Pandora Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Since the matter of space!Vikings has been raised, I have one question: what would the spaceship equivalent of the Viking longships--which would be amongst the first ships to successfully navigate hyperspace in the far far far past, I daresay--be?
     
  9. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    I personally cannot see that particular concept carrying across to SW.

    For longships, you knock down some trees, then with some artisans at work, put together a ship, crew and provisions.

    For the first hyperspace-capable ship beyond generation ships (which have the suspended animation), I would expect the technology to be ruinously expensive, and the reserve of planetary governments and megacorps, before it trickles down to the like of the Space!Viking types.
     
  10. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    Like what? They took their time doing the bad stuff they were working on or planning to do? Usually waited until people looked another way or was oppressed enough before doing the really bad stuff?


    Well, since I mentioned a that a possible write up would have a example group that don't keep to the murderous, sadistic and cannibalistic ways of their normal kin so would it I say that they are not completely evil. They just have a natural touch for it :p


    That's a cool concept, will nick it for possible future use.

    The problem I guess with it is that you need to raise your own henchmen...

    As bad guy minions do my concept species have the merit (from the evil employers' perspective) that most of them come pre-trained in being killers, sneaky bastards, poison users and/or dark ritual performers. The downside is that they are going to want dental, and the right to take care of at least some of their kills their own way.... [face_devil]
    :p

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    More serious: should I take it that people are not so interested in this idea?
     
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  11. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    They did iniated a crackdown on various pirate groups and brought stability to many worlds. I mean with them there is at least a logical reason for normal people to follow or at least not oppose them.
     
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  12. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Positives for the Empire

    The West End Games Imperial Sourcebook stated that most of COMPNOR "were kept ignorant of the Empire's darker actions", which gave me scope to have a pair of heroic ISB agents in about seven stories.

    So I'm with @Anedon on this.

    Several of the Rebel's high command and capital starships, defected from the Empire after Alderaan. Which wouldn't have happened if they were completely evil.

    @Gamiel - the Empire post-Alderaan, you could possibly have a case.
     
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  13. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    The Church of the lonely Flame

    The Church of the lonely Flame, also called the Cult of the lonely Flame is a growing religion in the galactic southwest, especially amongst lower classes, lost or endangered people, though with the rise of the religion more and more people from various different backgrounds became believers.

    Origin

    The exact origin of the believes is unknown but it is suggested that it came into existence in the earliest days of Eriadu, more than two thousand years ago, when the planet fell into ecological problems while being burdened with high debts to the Banking Clan. In this time of darkness and lacking resources many people lived in utter poverty and for them fire spending light and warmth became a symbol of hope. And so they continued on with their daily struggles, in hopes for a better future. Taking some inspiration from the force faith present in the rest of the galaxy and other cults and believes the religion began to form its own dogma and spread over Eriadu to other worlds, from the Eriaduan colonies to some of the non human worlds spread over the galactic southwest.

    Dogma

    The religion of the lonely flame is in many of its teachings based on reason, self reflection and self betterment. The believers are expected to strive towards the light and the ideals it represents. Honesty, humility, empathy, sincerity are core tenants of their faith. They acknowledge the force´s existence but consider it merely an aspect of a duality that is present in everything, an eternal struggle between light and dark that happens in both the galaxy as a whole but also every living being. They believe that those who strife to becoming a better person and following the light will find salvation in the afterlife, while those who fall into darkness awaits punishment in the next life. Due to coming into existence mainly amongst the poor lower classes and alien slaves the religion doesn´t share the racist tendencies of the Eriaduan upper class and is generally open to everyone. This is also reflected in their believe that one does not have to follow their believes to find salvation, it's more important to have a kind soul.

    The symbol of the religion is, quite obviously the fire which they see as a symbolic representation of their ideals. The loneliness of the flame is a reference to Eriadu being one of the first worlds being colonized in the galactic southwest, a single light of civilization in the darkness of space. Their temples always center around a altar with a constantly burning flame in the middle and one of the main duties of the priests is to make sure it´s never extinguished (the eldest of these shires actually pride themselves with having their fires burn for thousands of years since the earliest days of their religion). Though in contrast to temples of other religions the fire shrines/temples are less of a house of prayer, though that of course still happens, but places of meeting, exchange and personal reflection for the people. Also in these temples, at least most of the time, everyone is considered equal regardless of their societal standing, just another brother/sister in faith.

    The religion doesn´t worship any gods per say, does revere spirits of ancestors. This happens both on a personal level as well as on a greater scale. People that are considered embodiments of the faith (who don´t necessary have to have been part of it) are seen as angelic beings. One recent example for this would be the senator Ethan Malek, born a lowly workers child who went on to become possibly the most prominent Eriaduan in the rebel alliance.

    While on the other hand people seen as evil are in a sense remembered as a warning about the darkness that lives within everyone, a prominent example of this in recent times could be the former governor of Eriadu Wilhuff Tarkin.

    One thing that great differentiates the church from the force faith is that they don´t burn their deaths, as they consider fire pure and don´t want to taint it with the bodies of the dead. So instead they bury their dead in stone cairns, which vary quite a bit between worlds and the backgrounds of the persons. Nobles who follow the cult usually have family crypts while the lower classes are buried in large collective tombs.


    Priesthood

    The religion of the lonely flame recruits their priesthood from everywhere around the believers. Becoming a priest means dedicating oneself to the church with heart and soul. Especially in the early days of the cult with few supporting them the priests lived in great poverty but in recent times with the religion being accepted and growing more and more the financial situation has become better. When someone chooses to become a priest and is accepted by the higher ranking ones he or she will go through a yearlong training in the practices of the faith.

    Amongst their duties the priests tend to the flames in the shrines, overseen and organize funerals, and most importantly act as pastors to the people, including nonbelievers, offering advice and encouragement to their flock. Some also leave to live a life as missionaries, traveling the galaxy to spread their faith.

    The priests are organized in a hierarchy in which generally older members take higher positions, tending to larger congregations and overseeing the younger priests. The religion is headed by a high priest, called Hierarch who is elected for life by a conclave of the highest priests of the faith.

    Lower members of the priesthood are allowed to marry and have a family while the higher ups are expected to devout themselves to solely the faith and are expected to leave any worldly desires and concerns behind. In some cases priests who have a family can raise to higher offices as well but cases like that are an exception not the rule.


    Influence


    While in the beginning only a religion of the poor and little more than a cult the lonely fire was grown quite substantially over the centuries and spread far beyond its original founders. These days it's believed that more than half the population of Eriadu follows the religion, maybe even more. This also includes parts of the nobility, though mostly lower nobles. It also exists amongst the Eriaduan colonies and other worlds in the galactic southwest, with congregations amongst others on Bespin and Sullust.

    With their grown influence their grew from a cult to an official religion that is officially recognized as such by the galactic republic and its successors. Due to this they now are an official institution and have established a clear hierarchy, as well as creating an own security force for their temples and shrines.




    Still have some bits and pieces I´m working on related to them but I thought I put this up already to see what you guys think. So I´ll probably make some additions later down the line.
     
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  14. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    Suggest making 'Eriadu' into a link to your fanon post on Eriadu. Also, maybe mention on how long ago the earliest days of Eriadu was?

    Some other thoughts/questions:
    * I can see a Force tradition of the Church of the Lonely Flame who use to Force to Fire-bend, and only that.
    * Do they do any of the kind of community work RL churches often do?
    * Do there exist any monastic orders linked to the Church of the Lonely Flame?
     
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  15. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    Okay added the link, as for the earliest days I would think at the very least two thousand years ago as they were around in the New Sith Wars.

    Hm don´t actually think there is a force tradition connected to them for several reasons:
    1. Eriadu was part of the old republic and in it I think all force sensetive children go to the Jedi order, same with the empire, I guess the NR wouldn´t have a rule like this, but could, so if it would have to be an extremly recent development
    2. The church is very focused on being open to all, having a force user exclusive part kinda contradicts that
    3. Eriaduan´s, at least in my fanon, don´t really like Jedi or force users in general that much
    4. Also keep in mind they consider fire pure and don´t want it tained so with bruning corpses being frowned upon they wouldn´t be that keep on burning living people with pyromancy

    Still a nice idea though, maybe in later times this comes up as a sub sect or something? Not directly linked with the main church?

    Quite a bit actually. Of course their temples/shirens already provide, safe place for the people to meet and interact with each other, and their priests are open to provide their pastoral services to everyone, even nonbelievers.

    Their also have something of a veterans mission, at least on Eriadu were they help and support veterans and war invalids, especially those who have trouble adjusting to civilian live or can´t sustain themselves on their army pensions alone. This mission also extends to people who became invalids due to work accidents or the Eriaduan flora and fauna. This initiative is supported by the Eriadaun nobility, which in turn though lead to accusations the nobility was only paying the church to keep the workers and veterans in line.

    Other things would really vary from place to place but many priests are pretty hands on and would usually aid with any communal projects done by their flock.

    I think so, this is something I´m currently going a bit back and forth upon so I didn´t included my ideas in the article, yet. I think being such an open and hands on relgion I´m not so sure if they would really have orders of priests/monks/nuns who lock themelves away from the world, keep in mind its about being selfless and helping the common people which might be a bit hard when you barely interact with the common man. That said its defenetly an intriguing idea and could open some cool possibilities.
    Also thinking about a militarized templar order realted to the church like the knightly orders of our own medival times.

    Again this aspect in particular is a bit work in progress so feel free to share any ideas you might have on it or the topic in general.
     
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  16. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh, don't get me started on the Baking Clan
     
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  17. Cowgirl Jedi 1701

    Cowgirl Jedi 1701 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    *Immediately thinks of the alias used by the villain in @Jâd Sphera 's Luke/Mara fanfic.*
     
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  18. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    So, is it frowned upon to deliberately create a similar concept with the same name?

    I feel like this Lonely Flame could have unwittingly been formed as a religion, when the original intention had been to market the GFFA equivalent of magic candles (those ones that won't extinguish) to less civilised sectors.
     
  19. Findswoman

    Findswoman Force Ghost star 5

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    Just quickly answering as myself while traveling. I think it wouldn’t necessarily be frowned upon so long as you ask for permission from the fanon creator first.
     
  20. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    Will say I don't really like that idea. Turns the entire thing into just a cheap gag narrative, in my opinion. Kinda throwing away a potentially intresting story for the sake of a joke.
     
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  21. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Cool.

    Thought of a different church now, firefighter-related. However if I do use it in my own universe, I won't publicise it here.
     
  22. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    Well I guess, or you could give it slightly different name so people don´t get confused.
     
  23. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh sorry, yeah, it already had a different name: Church of the Distressed Firefighter.

    Centuries-old holographic advert for a magic candle variant being enveloped in fire retardent vapour, which dissipates, and the firefighter turns away and yells offscreen, "It won't go out!"
     
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  24. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 7

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    not all Force sensetive children went to the Jedi, only the ones that was not just found but who also came from a family who was willing to hand their child over to the order

    to me that's like saying that it don't have a chorus since that would exclude people who are not good at singing

    you are thinking to small - let your mind be a forest fire, not a candle.

    Fire bending don't need to be used for combat. You could have temple dancers that shape the temple flame by their dance, for example. Or people that help out firefighters. Or maybe people that creates items of functions and/or art by burning shapes into wood.

    Another possible fire based Force ability could be somebody that uses fire as a focus for farseeing.

    many RL monasteries was very active in the community that they were near, f.ex. as schools, hospitals, grain storage place, retirement homes, brewery, record keepers, orphanages, places of scientific research, etc.


    Also, @Anedon I suggest looking up, and creating, fire based sayings and metaphors for the believes to say.
     
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  25. Anedon

    Anedon Jedi Master star 4

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    I guess that´s an extremly small number, Eriadu isn´t really a backwater so not being found is unlikley. Then I don´t think the family really has a choice, its the law the child is to be handed over. Also keep in mind the poor families of Eriadu that make it the majority of worshippers would gladly give their kids to the Jedi so they could have a better future.

    Well everyone can improve their singing or at least try it. And people who can´t sing are much rarer that people who aren´t force sensitive, which is like 99.9 percent of the population. And when I go to church during these songs everyone sings along wether they are good at it or not.

    Well they are not the fire nation. First of I doubt firefighters still exsists in the GFFA, I think that´s been automaticed for ages. And again the fire is not to be messed with, its seen as a source of quiet reflection not something to create spectacles from.

    Well maybe this, because it would fit with the reflection part and reading in the flame was something the Zorastists, who are a major inspiration for this, actually did. That said I wouldn´t nessesary tie that to the force, maybe its just bruning specific wood that would then allow all trained to see possible glimpses of the future? Maybe those who have the force see things a bit more clear become oracles or something?

    Yeah that certianly, but then I doubt the cult is that large on most worlds, maybe on Eriadu but elsewere there would likley be just one or two priests per settlement.

    Well that´s kind of a can of worms in its own right and can quickly get pretty goofy. Like I personally find words like kriff, banata poodo or other SW curse words kinda silly. Maybe that a german thing as cursing isn´t as heavily censored in our media as I feel it kinda is in some other countries. Especially if these replacement cursewords are repeated all the time it can get anoying.
    I mean I was think about them say thinks like "by the flame" or something like that. Though again it can get too much if its said constantly, like in avatar for example. Though speaking of Avatar there is a fanfic that I adore in that fandom that uses "by Agni"(in reference to the spirit of fire in that universe) so I might even steal that, maybe Agni is used by the Eriaduan´s as well as synonym for it.
     
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