A/V THE FORCE AWAKENS - The Official Movie Discussion Thread

I don't have a problem with it simply because it is realistic that conflicts get dragged out over the course of many many years. Just take the past century of wars in real life. We were fighting against Germany and its allies in WWI and then thirty years later we're fighting against Germany and its allies again. Germany just silently and slowly rebuilt itself over the years.

We fought a cold war with the Soviets for almost fifty years. Now we're fighting a war against terrorism that will likely never end.

Depends. I think it will (should) definitely take longer than what the EU depicted (where the Order was strong enough to go to war against an alien invasion after only about twenty years).

I personally have a feeling that Ep. X-XII will take place a couple hundred years after this trilogy where the Jedi Order is strong again (and I think it will take that long for it to realistically get going).

 

Yeah. Pretty sure they're NOT going the TOR Revan route ( he split into Dark!Revan and Light!Revan, with Light!Revan being the ghost, and Dark!Revan keeping a physical form).

But the idea of Snoke intentionally appearing AS an idealized unmasked purified essence of Dark!Vader is very intriguing to me. Adds to the manipulation.

Especially intriguing if Kylo Ren recognizes this is the case.

 

Smashed Helmet represents to Kylo Vader's failure - and Kylo's fear of his own failure.
Snoke's visage represents Vader's (and Kylo's) unhindered potential.

 

I'm kind of disappointed there's an actual story there.

I was hoping Mas' story was, "I bought it from a Ugnaught on Bespin. He thought it was a fusion torch."

 

And that's exactly where I'm arguing your comparison of the Han/Ben scene in TFA to the Obi-Wan/Vader scene in ANH falls down as well - they are nothing but very superficially similar to one another. The former isn't even actually a fight. In fact, since the ANH fight doesn't take place on a bridge, the TFA scene may have even more in common with LotR.

 

There's no way they could make Snoke into a new alias of an 80-year-old Anakin/Vader... right?

Now that I see the resemblance, even the same scars on the cheek (though it's more shadowy and sunken on Snoke), I just can't unsee it. There's no way it could even be Snoke possessing Anakin's dead body, since we saw Luke burn it along with the mask, right?

 

So...I made a thing.



I'm so ashamed.

 

They don't actually look THAT alike.

 

Although the TOR Revan route would explain a ghost seen in certain versions of ROTJ.

 

I still prefer old bushy brow Anakin to Haydenakin. Haydenakin has a creepy smile on his face and looks way out of place.

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Agreed. In addition to Haydenakin not making sense to me, couldn't they at least have had him look at the camera and give a warm, loving smile like Shaw did?

Then again, which Anakin we prefer isn't exactly on-topic.

 

Yeah, he has that creepy leer on his face from AOTC. The only he always gave Padme.

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What if Snoke did it on purpose?

 

BTW, if they are still up in the air about Snoke's race, I'm calling Umbaren.

Snoke is Emperor Palpatine's child with Sly Moore.

Which...actually would work.

In any place but the movies because no one has any idea who Sly Moore is.

 

I thought Umbaran today, too!

Other possibilities: Echani, or Ubese. Or! If they wanted to make the coolest nod to the post-RotJ canon ever, Nagai.

 

Albeit, Nagai are Melnibone Elves.

 

Nope. That's it. Snoke is a Nagai. That's my headcanon.

 

Are you actually suggesting Vader's still alive?

Jesus, this and the "It's Obi-Wan's kid, the Rey girl!" theories are why the EU was shot.

 

He could still be a Muun, even. I think if Snoke is Plagueis it's more likely they've either given him a new species in the new continuity, or that's not his original body (or both). But I can still see a resemblance all the same - especially to the novel cover.

 

Something that I have not seen people discuss yet: Leia's dress at the end of the movie. Clearly, there's a war on, and she's still on a military base. Why isn't she in her General Organa duds? My guess: with the Senate gone, Leia is now either de factor or de jure Chancellor of the Republic. She may even have been about to catch a shuttle to the new capital (hopefully Coruscant).

 

I don't think Leia actually has a place in the present government. I think she might actually be in the New Republic military, though, which would lend further credence the First Order is just drastically overreacting to real provocation.

 

After all, depending on your canon, the Sith were founded by an Umbaran. Speaking of which, I'd love if Sly being a descendent of Ruin was canonized.

 

This. I was going to mention that Poe was wearing a dress uniform like the other Resistance officers, and Threepio even had his gold arm back. It was their proverbial Sunday best.

 

He what?! If it's that simple why does he have the red arm to begin with??