Discussion The Future Of The Force/Force Users Post TROS

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I think Yoda had even thought to himself in one of the novels that once the wars had ended that he would petition the government to help the Jedi re-locate to a less developed world so that they could re-connect with their older style of living, so this would be a nice change

 

It would be cool to see the Jedi on a pilgrimage of sorts back to Tython to reconnect with the original principles of balance vs.light and dark. There is a lot of potential for the journey of discovery let alone what they find/do once they get there. As much as I would rather move forward with new characters it might make a good story line for Rey as a means of reconciling the internal conflict resulting from being a product of the dark side.

 

There hasn't been talk on this for a while, but I'm wondering if anyone's opinions have changed, or anyone new wants to contribute?

 

I'm pessimistic about the evening a future for the Force/users post TROS.

Firstly, I don't think there's a will to explore it beyond the remaining fans.

Secondly, if it is explored, there seem to be Force powers creeping in which go way beyond the "original" limits of the Force. This may either result in ever-increasing super hero fights or fans wondering "why don't they just Force Skype or Force transport objects to overcome that problem"? The Ezra, Ahsoka and Rey stories all go from humble awakening to magnificent powers, I guess to represent "maturing" with power.

I like @Vader Bob's idea of Rey exploring the idea of balance of power rather than light v dark, post-TROS. She could face trials/temptations. Lots of moral dilemmas. But even the interest in this will be short-lived if she always overcomes...

In-universe, I'd like to see Force-users with small powers getting involved in personal stories not necessarily galaxy-spanning conflicts. Again, lots of moral dilemmas and not all of them need to be victories...

 

I agree... this is why I'm hesitant to get excited about any focus on or expansion of the Force in any future movies.

 

To some degree it's due to the Jedi putting limits on the use of force for members of their order so we really never got to see it explored to the fullest. That's really the core of the Anakin story. I definitely have an interest in seeing the story move beyond Jedi and Sith as we know them to be. Fleshing out the history of how the Je'daii Order split into light and dark factions and how that skewed the concept of balance for future force users. Lots of opportunity for great stories involving the force still IMO.

 

Amen. The slippery slope that is the superheroization of force users could be really damaging to the integrity of the franchise. If Star Wars loses its grounding in reality, it loses its identity, IMO.

 

The original movie stated that "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force". While you can argue what was really meant with that, there isn't really anything comparable to suggest that force-abilities were limited in scope. And not too long ago, some people were arguing against Luke's death on the basis that using the force should never cause your own death, which is basically an argument that the character should have been stronger than that, not that the power was over the top.

If you go with "why didn't character X do Y?" you can basically take down every single work of fiction, especially when it leans on fantasy or science fiction. There are always plenty of situations where the characters conveniently achieve something they shouldn't, or a villain doesn't do something he clearly is capable of for no other reason than that the story needs the heroes not to die at that point.
I think something like Poe shooting down five TIEs in a few seconds, while also taking out a bunch of stormtroopers, is much more of an issue than any use of the force. Fantastical powers being fantastical is much easier to make sense of than a "regular" person doing something that doesn't fit to what had been shown before.

It's not like they haven't put limits in place. Luke's death is an obvious example. Just like Rey and Ben being a dyad allowing them things that otherwise aren't possible. Dyads aren't exactly a common occurance. And they still got their rear kicked by Palpatine anyway.

Which isn't to say that there couldn't be scenes that feel a bit over the top or lack a proper explanation as for why it isn't used more often. I'm not sure if I need to see the transfer of objects again, even if there was a limit put on it due to who could do it. But at the same time you also can't expect stories to never add anything new in terms of the force. Repeating the same thing again and again won't be enticing to anyone either. And there are only so many ways you can make the same fights work without adding new and powerful abilities. There is always the danger of everyone just trying to top what came right before - the old EU was a prime example for that - but that shouldn't somehow limit concepts of what could be possible. Limits aren't really something that existed at the start of the franchise, and Lucas wasn't exactly one who would just stick with what existed instead of pushing for something new.

 

Little did Rey know that her powers would lead her to...wearing a conductor hat and pulling levers all day.

 

The post-ST government will be called the Re-Republic.

 

They should be careful not to Marvel-ize the Jedi I would agree.

The ROTS novel paints it that there are common abilities for Jedi, but some have unique or increased abilities in certain areas; for example, Windu was especially good at seeing the future. I think that works well. The problem would come in if they made these traits excessively powerful.

 

Agreed. Good post. If a vergence of the Force can create life imagine what a similar construct (dyad) could do.


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Option 1B all day.

I prefer the Jedi to be as staid and aloof and set apart as they were pre-TPM. It gives them mystique. No need to change for change sake. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the Order at the time of TPM, in my opinion. Changing diapers and getting married is not the Jedi way. They are more akin to monks.

 

I’d like to think Grogu was trained and lived peacefully, hidden away on a remote jungle/swamp type world somewhere and eventually came to train a small band of followers.

 

I think the natural progression is multiple temples with different ideologies. The group that allows marriage could be more like wandering clans/ nomadic/ tribal. The other group that doesn’t allow marriage could be centralized and working with the new republic. They are similar to PT Jedi but more militarized.

The struggle of ideological differences leads to a inner conflict on both sides. They could build a whole bunch of movies and series off this. Set it in the future with all new characters. No throwback characters. No Sith.

 

I want the new Jedi Order to look at the mistakes of their past and find a way to allow marriage & children. Also, I don't think it should be necessary for children to be taken from their families. These things should be the choice of each Jedi. ...I do think that the order should be centralized though, because like anything I think some sort of overall rules and governing should take place within the order. My original wish for the end of the sequel trilogy was to see Luke in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant at the end. We can't see that now, but I feel it would be great to see the old temple being used again after all this time.

 

The Jedi didn't ever just take children. I really wish I knew where this came from, but the choice is always given to the parents. The Clone Wars showed us that the Jedi approach the family and ask for consent first and the parents pretty much always said yes because of the huge honor associated with being a member of the Jedi Order. Qui-Gon gave Anakin the choice and he didn't sugar coat it either: "Even if you succeed, it's a hard life" The only group ever associated with actual kidnapping of Force Sensitives was the Sith. As far as marriage goes, I think allowing it is fine, but then you have to show how the 2 lifestyles conflict: How can a Jedi equally devote themselves to the Galaxy and a romantic partner? One is always going to have to take priority over the other, which does make for great drama, unless you have 2 Jedi decide to get hitched

 

I think one of the best things about the Jedi is that they can’t have families and must dedicate themselves 100% to the public good. Like the Guardians of Plato’s Republic. Such a standard might actually be super helpful when it comes to politicians here on Earth...

 

I think the future jedi can work like the air nomads from avatar they dedicates themself for the greater good and help on all matters that suit the better of the world, but they still had a wife and kid, but it didn't stop them from being air nomads. Like Ang from Avatar was a good man but flawed father and helped save the world. I think star wars can explore if that works for the jedi.

 

Agreed.

Like how well that worked for the Catholic Church?

And like how U.S. politicians without military service, or without children in the military, are more likely to start military interventions and wars?

 

OK. I can also cherry pick hundreds of examples of political leaders serving their families nepotistically at the expense of the public good. There’s no ideal. Each approach to public service have their flaws.

But in the case of Buddhist warrior monks in space, I like the idea of non-attachment as a foundation of their galactic service.

 

I don't. I prefer the image of the idealized wandering European knights-errant, who were free to love and be loved the way most humans do. If that is taken away from people, it can lead to them losing touch with humanity, both their own and that of the ones around them.

 

Plus you can have healthy relationships with family, friends, romantic partners, etc. without going the unhealthy attachment route that puts you on the route to the dark side. And such as in the case of Luke and Anakin, and the impact of Rey/Leia on Luke and I’d argue the impact of Anakin on Obi-wan, even return people to the right path (and save the Galaxy).