Discussion The Future Of The Force/Force Users Post TROS

Wow… I guess I never saw those poll options before. Pretty complicated stuff.

 

Wow, that many people want Jedi to marry? Didn't they watch ROTS and find out what happens when they do that?

 

They watched RotS and saw what happens when something that should have been a good, healthy, strengthening relationship had to be hidden like something shameful because of short-sighted dogmatism. IMO.

 

Had Anakin been allowed to be openly married, would he not still have tried to prevent her death by making a deal with Palpatine? I didn't see anything in the PT indicating that the secret nature of his marriage contributed to his decision to make that deal. The reason he did what he did was to stop the loved one he felt possessive towards from dying. Because she was his. And he wasn't going to let death take her. That's the heart of it. And I don't think it mattered if his relationship was officially-sanctioned or not. At least, the story doesn't seem to indicate that it matters.

 

I do ultimately think it mattered, because he couldn't bring his concerns or fears to his colleagues and mentors in anything but a vague, off-handed kind of way, and in turn they couldn't help him with much apart from fortune cookie advice. It wasn't just the unhealthy attachment, it was the sense of isolation that Palpatine expertly filled.

 

The novel makes this much clearer. He thinks the jedi have the skills to save her (which is likely true) but he can't ask about it for fear of their reaction.

The jedi have created this situation through their dogma.

 

Yes, but if that's the case (that it mattered for the reasons you noted), why didn't Lucas really...explore that?

Both of these posts are true.

 

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I don't know how much I agree with the idea of him being possessive, and that being the problem.. If you think about what being possessive really means in a relationship, it doesn't describe that situation well.. Obsessive is a far better description- Anakin was obsessed with the idea of losing her in the same way he lost his mother; that's what Palpatine uses to manipulate him.

Remember- Anakin is damaged from the lost attachment to his mother. Force sensitive children were taken away before they formed that attachment usually (identified early) at that time, so Anakin was a double case of attachment problems. THAT is what Palpatine used more than anything because that is what had the most effect on Anakin. Palp drove a wedge between Anakin and the Jedi, but that wasn't mostly how he managed to manipulate Anakin, that was a smaller contributing factor.

Despite personal feelings about what the story should be, there is not a distinction in the Jedi code for a healthy vs unhealthy marriage- marriages are not allowed because of what that sort of attachment can cause; Anakin's situation was just one example of what could happen.

 

Not sure why people minimize semantics- they are wildly important, and clarifying them makes up a solid 50% of the discipline of philosophy.

As a psychotherapist, I will assure you that in relationships, there are stark and important differences between a possessive person and an obsessive person. Possessive people are controlling and jealous, which really doesn't play into the plotline with Anakin and Padme in the movie- that really isn't the issue. Anakin's obsession with Padme dying is the issue, and that's what Palp uses..

 

Everyone here is stupid. The only person responsible for Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is George Lucas, because he wrote the screenplay.

 

Are you saying the Jedi don't have healing skills?

Oh yes how DARE he not conform to the Jedi. how dare he step outside the norm.

Way to blame the person isolated.

Anakin is part of a cult and is isolated by not conforming their rules.