Lit The Great River - The problem with the "the new EU"... A haven for Legends fans.

No computer games. The Battle of Foerost was created for the Essential Chronology and Operation Durge's Lance and it's consequences played out in the Holonet News/CIS Shadowfeeds of Insider 74-76.

 

Ah. So even the majority of people who followed the original CW MMP likely never heard of or experienced those things. Okay.

 

Wookieepedia says that Foerost campaign was created to explain the origins of the Bulwark battlecruisers from star wars rebellion video game.

 

I honestly don't know a whole lot about the Foerost campaign and Operation Durge's Lance myself. They just so happen to be major campaigns during the Clone Wars, at least according to Wookieepedia, so I was kind of interested in seeing them properly depicted, but no, TCW was generally just side stories not related to the Clone Wars. When the "best" storyline from TCW was apparently Darth Maul's storyline after his survival, which had nothing to do with the Clone Wars, that tells me TCW was terrible and never should have been made.

 

It's a mix of bad and good. A lot is bad. Maul arc is a good story, but it doesn't make sense in the context of the Clone Wars. The Mandalorian arc by itself was brilliant, it didn't need Maul, and it fit perfectly into Legends. There's a hell of a lot of stupid stuff in there, such as Mortis, which again the EU had to step in and fix through Xendor discrediting them.

 

Xendor basically just said that the existence of The Ones didn't matter much to him - or so Arden Lyn claims, in her extract in The Essential Guide to Warfare.

And the endnotes don't say much:

http://jasonfry.tumblr.com/post/20907109370/eg-to-warfare-endnotes-pt-2

The War of the Jedi and the Legions of Lettow: It was fun to introduce some other ancient Force-using traditions, and to imagine Xendor encountering the Ones from the Clone Wars series. (Troy Denning has made great use of them in Apocalypse.) I also liked Arden’s hatred of the Caamasi, and her derisive nickname for them. I think my favorite part of this section, though, was the idea that the constellations themselves would be strange to Arden, after all those millennia in stasis. That idea came to me years ago, and I kept trying to figure out a place for it.



The last bit of the TEGTW extract was:

Xendor told me he once journeyed to a dead world where the Force was worshipped as a triad of divine beings. The Daughter was the Light Side. The Son was the Dark Side. And the Father? The Father was the Force itself, perhaps. Xendor said that he spoke with these beings, and I asked eagerly what he had discovered. He laughed, and dismissed the question.

"Even now, you refuse to understand," he told me. "There are as many truths to the Force as there are hearts within which the Force manifests itself. The existence of the triad has no more bearing on the reality of the Force than the Ashla or the Bogan, or anything I tell you, or anything you tell others. Any philosophy, creed, or religion that opens the heart to the Force proves itself to be true. My legions follow the dictates of such a creed. But that is only a demonstration of the application of power, Arden. It says nothing about the rightness of our beliefs, or the universality of our faith."

 

Wait.. WHAT?! So a chief consistent complaint about the TCW is that it didn't cover something that... the EU didn't actually really cover either?

A mention on Wookieepedia unshakeably set in stone your view of the CW more so than actually experiencing the MMP itself for yourself? Am I understanding this correctly?

WHAT?! Seriously. You should, umm, do more Wookieepedia reading. If thats how you find out about Star Wars stories. Your view of TCW is way off.

... it's a good storyline, but not the biggest, or necessarily the best. The TCW involves many, many interrelated stories, elements that happened as a result of the divide (and vacuum) between the Republic and CIS, and also themes leading into its culmination in ROTS. There are also stories of how the wars affected the common man, woman, and child in the street. Issues with the politics of war (finances, corruption, etc). Corruption in the Jedi Order. Sith machinachions. Explorations of understanding (and lack thereof) of the Force between different factions. TCW handled many, many of these, and more. Some handled in different, and maybe better ways in a story or two in the MMP, but many more actual aspects of the Wars covered in TCW.

Myself having actually just read the entirety of the MMP, and your now admitting that your view of the 'Old' Clone Wars is informed mostly by a few summaries on Wookieepedia that you haven't even really delved into, your argument at how you're positive TCW and the New Canon irredeemably screwed up the Clone Wars for you just became a great deal more incomprehensible and indefensible to me.

Your arguments are a windmill-monster version of the MMP vs a straw-man of TCW.

 

I think taking the events/individuals in the Mortis Monolith as literal/historical completely misses the point of the episodes/experience.

 

I rather liked the Dathomir take on the Ones, as deities, in Book of Sith.

 

No, the timeline of the Clone Wars novels and comics from the multimedia project is the Clone Wars to me, along with events like the Battle of Cartao, the Foerost campaign, and Operation Durge's Lance. There is no room in the Star Wars I love for things like Ahsoka Tano, Anakin and Dooku dueling between AotC and RotS, TCW Dathomir and Mandalore, or the Sundered Heart, instead of the Tantive IV, being in RotS.

 

Maul was in 6 episodes. Out of 125.

 

Incomplete as they might have been - I really liked the Crystal Crisis episodes of Season 6 released on starwars.com. Grievous is more like the old comics and the microseries, for once. And there's other good moments in it as well.

 

That is six episodes too many.

 

Why not use those 6 episodes for the members of the Separatist Council?

 

Those frequent, recurring duels undermined RotS. They just couldn't resist the temptation...

 

Technically it should be ten episodes, since Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir is an adaption of an arc. The name Son of Dathomir is the antithesis of everything I believe about Darth Maul.

 

I didn't like Dooku doing things so personally in TCW. The guy's a Head of State, having the opportunity to duel him should be an extreme rarity.

 

Yeah, I always thought he was a Zabrak, and that's how I still see him. The way the Night Sisters treat the males is awful.

I disagree, a leader should be willing to be hands on, it's part of what leading entails.

 

He duelled a lot of people in CW comics though. And books, and he duels Ventress in the Genndy series.

So it's not like TCW was different from the norm in that respect.

As for Maul - Maul still is a Zabrak - just not born on Iridonia any more.

 

So does TCW. He's a Zabrak from a clan raised on Dathomir.

 

Even if it didn't my perception wouldn't shift.

 

The nightsister treatment of males is loosely based on their old portrayal in Courtship of Princess Leia.

They became more egalitarian in the Young Jedi Knights series, and in Fate of the Jedi.

 

I wasn't actually aware that "The Ones" were ever referenced in anything outside of TCW Mortis arc. Interesting...

 

And the pre-AOTC Star Wars/Republic comics.

 

I am aware of the Dathomiri culture, thanks. I dislike it intensely.