The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 3.04 - Chapter 20 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I said the same thing got told I was pushing an agenda. This episode has so many issues from top to bottom it felt like a low budget sci-fi network show.

I agree with you about the mandalorians too, while I appreciate bo's character growth. We got a dramatic shot of paz glaring at them and now their BFFs 20 minutes later. On a technical standpoint it works because saving somebody's child would make them probably like you, but from a narrative story telling standpoint, it's not very interesting at all.

 

This is basically an illogical reaction as the one of the two episodes Ender mentioned as looking cheap (the Rodriguez one) was 100% NOT shot in the Volume, while some of the best-looking episodes were shot entirely in the Volume (such as The Child). This narrative in the fandom about the Volume being at fault is 100% off base but it shows no signs of cooling down. Nevertheless, I’m going to call it out when I see it.

 

Wild theory here, but I think Ahmed Best's "Friend" is actually Jar Jar it makes way too much sense in my mind.

 

I think so too. Naboo ship, Naboo guards. It’s Jar Jar redemption time.

 

I would say carls other episode did not look this bad at all, I'm talking about the siege. That was not as poorly executed, was that not shot in the volume?


I'm not blaming the volume I'm more blaming John for hiring people who apparently sometimes can use it and sometimes can't. Because when it looks bad it looks very very bad and cheap. You can see the seams of the volume everywhere in this episode from one shot to the next. At no point did any of those shots look like real locations. To contrast the last week where I would say 90% of that episode looked great.

To make it even more comical go look at the end where the creatures come out of bo' ship. After they're all out of the ship, look at the size of them and look at the door size of the ship, there's no way they could fit in or out of that. Everything's so slapped together there's no actual size reference.

 

Ok, but Tales Of The Jedi stabilished that Bail Organa was in Naboo for Padmé's funeral. I think maybe he could take Grogu away and keep hiding him.

 

Also hearing clones voiced by Them in their prime is just the best. Seeing a LAAT again is just another bonus.

 

@Bor Mullet , I do agree with your assertion that the Volume, conceptually, works and has been used beautifully and seamlessly by some crews in a variety of applications.

 

Tem not them

 

Oh man! That's right! It was the same kid that was attacked by the other monster a couple of episodes back! Ha!

Big time! I was just telling my wife, (who doesn't watch the show), how the first couple seasons worked so well because it was all about Din trying to reunite Grogu with the Jedi. It was so easy to sum up the main story arc of those seasons. My wife walked through the living room when I was watching this episode and I was thinking, "oh god I hope she doesn't ask what's going on because there is now way to sum up what the point of this season is because it's all over the place."

 

Can't say I disagree, but the flashback does have value in confirming, even if impliedly, that there is something about Grogu that is special. Everyone else is dropping like flies, including Younglings, and yet Jedi Master Not Jar Jar and many others working in concert are taking extraordinary lengths to get Grogu off-world.

Well, this would go far in explaining how Grogu falls in the wrong hands. Hey, Jar Jar, please watch the kid here. Don't mess up this time!

 

Well it makes sense who else would have a Naboo starship it's not padme's that ship is already accounted for. It's either some random Naboo person or it's jar jar.

 

well that was fun . Glad they saved the baby raptors too.

 

Cool episode.

Loved: Baby dragons. Ahmed Best makes for a fantastic Jedi. I want to see more of him.

I like that we're very slowly seeing more of Grogu's past. It would be nice to finally get something...but I like the slow progression. Something ain't right. The Jedi spent a lot to get him out of the Temple. And they all know seem to know why. More so than anyone other Padawan.

 

Here's another thing I didn't understand, are we led to believe that the Raptor kept the boy alive flying around with him for one full day? Because don't forget there is a campfire scene so it has at least been 12 if not 24 hours since the kidnapping. Why did the bird not go ahead and drop him off at the nest and let the babies eat him. That whole scene was very awkwardly shot too until they actually had the aerial combat fight, which I thought that was the best looking part of the episode. But even that had way too many Quick Cuts back and forth.

 

So that would be Jar-Jar’s ship. As co-Senator with Padme it make sense he’d have access to his own ship and not forever share one with Padme.

Not getting my hopes up but it makes sense Jar-Jar could show up. Will Best have a scene playing two characters at once. Not getting my hopes up.

 

I was disappointed that in the tales of the Jedi episode they showed Yaddle’s death because I always had thought it might be possible Grogu was Yaddle’s child and it was easier to imagine that possibility when it was less clear to me where she had been after episode 1. The child of a former member of the Jedi Council would receive special treatment and care. That or he was a relative of Yoda or her in some other way. Either connection to such esteemed institutions members of the Jedi Order would explain special treatment given toward family members.

 

@jedi master Fixxxer Loved an earlier post on pg 2 that said it was the best redemption story. And if you knew what Ahmed went through, I think most would agree. Very happy for him and for the production team choosing him.
As for the show, it was great. We got into the COTW training and customs, tons of Grogu my son will love, then we got Mandos in jet packs after giant Terradactals.
There was some moments I wasn't sure how far they'd push things, as Grogu's initation involves some silliness, but it's all good. They balanced it out okay which is what a lot of SW is about.
The flashback was amazing and very well done. Ahmed Best's, uh I mean Kelleran Beq's time to shine!
Naboo guards showing up seems unlikely during order 66. Who would make that call to them? Loved seeing them though.
Grogu is rescued until....
Bo Katan and Din team up with a rescue of Ragnor. Good ending, lots of action. Unreal the amount of cgi and jet pack flying this episode had! Paz Vizla is still annoying.

The Armorer now hears the truth about the Mythasaur but chooses to ...not believe? That's the feeling I got. Bo will have to prove it to them eventually.

 

Grogu is going to be smuggled into Otoh Gunga under the protection of Boss Nass.

 

The world needs more Brain Blessed as Boss Nass

 

Yep, seems like we're getting more shots of Grogu walking this season and my god does it look bad. The first two seasons did a much better job at convincing me that Grogu was a real life living creature. In this season he feels like a full-on puppet. I didn't mind this sort of thing in the OT because I was eight years old at the time. As an adult it feels really silly watching this little puppet shuffle around.

Also, yeah there are a number of times in this season where the green screen/visual effects look fake as all hell. I'm thinking of Pershing flying in that cab last week. MAN that looked bad! Some of the shots in the Order 66 flashback looked similarly fake and cheap. And something about a bunch of Mando's all standing around on the beach in broad daylight looks silly.

It also doesn't help that Andor looked SO much better than this, largely due to shooting on location, not using the volume and simply not having as many visual effects moments. Plus it was much more grounded feel. I know people complained about the lack of aliens on that show but to me the lack of aliens and visual effects meant that there were fewer things that looked cheesy and cheap.

On the one hand I didn't want Din's redemption story to drag out all season but yeah going into season four it felt like they a pretty decent setup for what the arc was going to be. We were going to see Din working his way back to Mandalore to redeem himself and it seemed like we were going to see Bo-Katan facing off against Din for the darksaber and possibly some sort of conflict between Bo and the rest of the Mando's. All of that feels like it would been a nice mini-arch for the first half of the season and then once all of that was resolved then they'd bring the Gideon storyline. Instead we've got an aimless collection of episodes without a lot of indication where things are headed outside of the pirates attacking Nevarro and Mando's defending it. Plus we'll get Checkov's Mythosaur and the baby flying creatures doing...something.

While I watch this season I keep feeling like I'm watching a cartoon show and I don't mean that in a good way. Then I read comments here and a lot of people are saying, "I really liked this episode! It was like one of the Star Wars cartoons that I watch!"

 

“This show idea made a lot more sense when I had Grogu in the pitch session.”

 

So, Ragnar is Paz's son and he is dark-haired. Maybe they both are descendants of Tor Vizsla.

 

Interesting episode and I really liked the duel scene of Grog, I laughed at the way he looked at Dina after each hit. We finally find out who rescued Grog from the Jedi Temple. It's nice that we have another Jedi that I didn't know much about and had to read about him, but I like the fact that it wasn't a legendary character, but someone completely different. We also know that Anakin wasn't lurking behind the door, but a squad of clones and I think it's a good idea. Not every scene requires the greatest SW characters. The scene with the pterodactyl nicely showed Bo-Katan's leadership and teamwork to save the kid. It also seems that she has accepted the sect's rules about not taking off the helmet, at least for now. However, I really hope that this will change. This episode could be longer because 30 minutes is a bit short considering that there are only 8 episodes. As for me 8/10