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The Mandalorian The Mando Armor/Gadget Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by godisawesome , Nov 19, 2020.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    So... Din has the darksaber, and there’s an implicit “hold it against all comers” aspect to its ownership.

    I’m thinking we might see him having to deal with some idiot tracking him down to challenge him for it, Afro-Samurai style.

    ...Which opens up the possibility of more melee combat involving Beskar weapons.

    Anyone feel like seeing a live action Beskar sword or some updated version of Mythosaur Axe?
     
  2. aewhistory

    aewhistory Jedi Knight star 1

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    You’re not wrong, of course, in that the show does rely on “plot armor” and TCW didn’t portray Mandalorian armor very well or in a well-thought out way. However, there are metallurgical explanations that one can apply to this that make it more palatable. Some have already been mentioned, like stretching the armor and diluting the metal quality. In TCW it shows the Death Watch is manufacturing its own armor. However, they are doing this clandestinely and with what appears to be budgetary constraints. This alone would explain some of the poor performance of the armor. Perhaps they couldn’t find enough beskar... perhaps they aren’t even using beskar at all.

    Then there is the issue of treating the metal. There is so much that could be written here by someone who was truly educated in the metallurgical sciences, but you’ll have to make due with a military historian. So IRL examples of tremendous differences occurring in the same metal are things like medieval swords, which ranged from iron to Damascus steel. All based on iron but a Damascus steel sword was famous for its cutting properties. In the 20th century the French found, much to their horror, that not taking enough care in the casting and hardening process for tank turrets could have a dramatic effect on crew survivability. Some of their best tanks in ‘40 suffered from bubbles within the metal, meaning that what was supposed to be 50mm of steel may well be 25mm or so. The steel was also not hardened properly and shots from German tanks penetrated where they shouldn’t have. OTOH, the Germans did pay attention to this and their armor performed exactly as well as could’ve been expected in 1940.

    So how does this factor into Star Wars? It’s simple: it can be argued that improperly treated beskar performs badly whereas it takes on its incredible properties only with very careful and precise handling. So when Death Watch mass produced their armor perhaps they produced a bunch of crap, whereas the armor produced by the armorer one at a time performs at maximum ability for the material?

    As for Death Watch having mined all this metal, perhaps I am not far enough along in TCW, but I have watched half and it isn’t entirely clear to me that this is the case. In fact, it sounds more like the mining was done in years past and Death Watch is now returning to said mines to scrape together beskar for their own purposes. Given the rarity of beskar, it likely exists akin to how gold is found. That would mean moving tons of ore to get just a few ounces of material! Not to mention that that assumes the mines are still viable. If they’re exhausted then they can mine all they want and they’ll get nothing. See the problem? I don’t think you can assume that Death Watch has a huge supply of beskar.

    Anyway, this is what I tell myself when I watch these two shows and it lets me enjoy them a bit more.
     
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  3. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Master star 4

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    That sounds like a good episode and fight scene.
     
  4. Jolee Bindo

    Jolee Bindo Jedi Master star 3

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    Just some musings on beskar/Mandalorian Iron.

    So we know from Season 1 that not all Mandalorians have it. Our boy starts off with a beskar helmet but the rest of his armour is made of some cheaper material. This allows us to make sense of the fact that in other media, such as The Clone Wars, most Mandalorian armour seems roughly as vulnerable to blaster fire as clone armour. Perhaps prior to the Great Purge of Mandalore, beskar was mostly reserved for the high nobility given its rarity and cost. We know, however, that Jango's suit is beskar - perhaps he won it in battle.

    In The Mandalorian, beskar seems virtually indestructible. It is more or less impervious to blaster fire. It even stops lightsabers, though the Darksaber causes Mando's pure beskar spear to glow with heat after prolonged contact, suggesting that it would be capable of melting through given time.

    All this makes me wonder most of all what the heck Boba got shot in the head by to put that dent in his helmet, and why it didn't rip his head off by the sheer force of whatever it takes to do that to beskar.
     
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  5. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    A cut TCW arc had Cad Bane nail him in the head, causing the dent and knocking him down. That episode has the potential to be updated and adapted to Bad Batch.
     
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  6. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Maybe Boba was up against a wall. or lying on the ground when he got shot in the head, so enough of the impact was absorbed to allow the dent but not tear his neck apart.
     
  7. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    We got the energy “buckler” this week! And a strong implication we won’t see beskad swords… at least not in the hands of any Mandalorian the Armorer would approve of… even though her hammer is clearly made of Beskar, and she has no problem whacking fools with it…

    But we’ve also seen the Darksaber again seem to heat up Beskar armor even without cutting through it. Is it cooking the flesh underneath? Slowly approaching a temperature where it can actually melt the armor slowly?
     
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  8. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Mythosaur rising. Boba vs. Din. Boba wins.
     
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  9. clone commander bossk

    clone commander bossk Ostrich Velocity Expert star 5

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    You wish he does
     
  10. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    A literal Mythosaur rising.
     
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  11. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Okay, so, just for fun, let’s play “Diagnose the Darksaber Wielder!” Why do some people seem to have an easier time with it than others? Here we go!

    - Pre Vizsla: While an absolute neophyte (as per Dooku) when he started out, and always a bit of an arrogant idiot in comparison to those he fought, Pre had a genuinely pure enthusiasm for fighting and using the Darksaber, accompanied by a flexible and fluid (read: impulsive and mercurial) mind. He may have been struggling with the Darksaber when he first fought Obi-Wan, but probably started to “flow” with it after his split from Dooku, as he became more the genuine Blood Knight warrior who could wield it better… though not wisely; it’s even possible learning to use it well encouraged his more impulsive actions.

    - Maul: an experienced lighstaber duelist and wielder long before he got ahold of the Darksaber, it’s no real mystery he quickly “flowed” with it. Enough said.

    - Sabine: While a determined rebel fighter and a proud Mandalorian, Sabine’s mix of more traditional mindset as a Mandalorian and her collection of hang ups and issues being exacerbated by the political potential of the Darksaber interfered with her learning even just Jedi fighting styles, leta line using the saber. However, Kanan mixing the right amount of pressure and patience, and asking the right questions helped Sabine confront and accept her issues, leading to her “flowing” with it, with the audience actually seeing that happen on screen.

    - Gar Saxon: an older, more experienced Mandalorian warrior, he didn’t seem to be too thrown off by the Darksaber, so he might have already had a Pre Vizsla-style mindset of going with the “flow” of a battle… but there’s a decent argument to make that Sabine knowing how to flow better with a lightsaber let her more easily match his more brute force attack and overcome it.

    - Moff Gideon: More a schemer and butcher than a warrior, Gideon lacked the hang-ups others had, but also the experience and more tranquil mindset to maximize it’s usage. It’s probably why he kept swinging the blade with two hands and trying to overpower Din; he understood it enough to use an effective strategy for what weight the blade still seemed to have, but was too slow to counter Din’s final assault.

    - Din Djarin: Probably the guy with the second most hang ups when using it, Din seems to be torn up *a lot* about the Darksaber - he simultaneously doesn’t want the blade but doesn't want to give it up either. It seems heavier, actually, when the Armorer is trying to instruct him on it than it does when he fights Paz, possibly because his issues with it are front and center when under the eye of a respected mentor.

    - Paz Vizsla: Arguably the worst wielder of the blade, since he manages to make the blade seem heavier than it did for Din and barely manages to lift it at times. He’s probably struggling mightily under feeling like he has to challenge for his clan’s sake rather than his own, and because he still sees Din as a brother in arms whose done a good thing in rescuing the saber from Gideon.
     
  12. Lord-Skywalker

    Lord-Skywalker Hangman Host/ 18X Wacky Wed Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner VIP - Game Host

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    RIP to the pure beskar spear.
    Atleast Grogu got a little something out of it. Can’t wait to see what it actually is.
     
  13. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I thought Mando would have the mighty darksaber stolen from his luggage. Him unloading all his weapons was super hilarious.
     
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  14. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Since they said the hilt is actually made of Beskar, we've now got pretty good explanations for why it has a handguard and how Sabine might have been able to slice off Gar's fingers without hurting the hilt.
     
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  15. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    The darksaber being lost in baggage claim limbo for all eternity would've been pretty funny.
     
  16. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    This would have been gold. An entire season's drama would be spent on tracking this thing as it keeps getting shipped back and forth between two destinations like a poorly labeled package in the mail.
     
  17. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 4

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    Blasters, Midichlorians, and Beskar , the new book by Jared Diamond. (I would read it)
     
  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    The season concludes with the darksaber being detected in a shipping container full of fruit at a regional spaceport, which precipitates a wild, 7mph speeder chase through the docks, with crates of fruit getting knocked over left and right.
     
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  19. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It's alive, it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!

    Resurrected this thread for the new season, in part because we got to see the Armorer do some more forging and saw something we haven't seen since Season One, Episode 2 - that beskar armor has significant internal circuitry underneath the Mandalorian Iron that requires more delicate technical work than the rets of the forging process.

    We also saw a Lil'Mando's First Helmet being put on in a ceremony, which I loved... and reminds me of how Sabine testified that Mandalorians reforge old armor sets into new ones. anybody else think that means that there's probably another Watch ceremony where a kid gives back his helmet while covering his face, and the Armorer than reshapes it to fit their new noggin?

    And Din's "bare beskar" look seems to remain his own, so does anyone else think that signifies his lack of a clan before he met Grogu?