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The Movie and Television Character Draft (Champion/Dude/EF/Duncan lol/Winner --- EmpireForever!!)

Discussion in 'Archive: Census and Games' started by DarthIntegral, Nov 7, 2006.

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  1. Darthsuperbatpooh

    Darthsuperbatpooh Jedi Knight star 5

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    yeah...i don't know a whole lot of the monster list i put up...i just got all the names form the various godzilla movies to get all the monsters i could find...so there would be more choices for teams to pick one if we kept the monsters...i still don't think we should have them...but oh well...
     
  2. Zizz

    Zizz Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't like the idea either, but having them on a PL is better then having teams being able to pick multiple mosters.

    I got rid of a few monsters who seemed weaker than others, and a few of them that were essentially the same as monsters already on the list (I think there were two Mothras). There is definately a lot of power there, and some of the monsters have some pretty neat abilities. Cream of the crop are definately Ghidorah, Godzilla, and probably the mechas for either of them, but the rest still seem damn good.

    I suppose it makes it more of a strategy for GM's to decide whether they want the awesome top tier RLers (Neo, Smith, etc) or whether they want to go after the killer monsters first. You could draft all the way down to round 10, and then select your monster if you wanted. Options I suppose.
     
  3. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Seems pretty clear to me. Potential Spoilers: Whenever he's in contact with a hero, he mimics their power and retains it (at least from what we've seen) permanently. He now has: Nathan's flight,Clair's healing,Isaac's ability to see the future, Matt's TP, Invisibility, Sylar's TK and probably more after there next encounter is resolved, and potentially Hiro's time abilities since he did meet future Hiro and if the visions come true, he'll have Ted's nuclear power as well.

     
  4. Talon_Kenobi

    Talon_Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah I fiured that, but what I really meant is if he gets in contact with other Super-powered Heroes not from the TV show...do we give him their power too?
     
  5. Zizz

    Zizz Jedi Master star 4

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    No, I don't think that would be fair. I don't watch the show, but being able to mimic ANY power? That's excessive. He should only get the powers he has as of the time the draft starts.

    And does he actually show any combat abilities whatsoever? I mean, sure he would probably be able to beat some of the lesser gun-wielding characters fairly easily, but even against a guy like Boba Fett, would all of those abilities really give him an advantage if he hasn't actually killed (or been trained in killing) anyone?

    Although he may very well be trained, so that may not even matter. But the way you guys are talking about him, his (possible) lack of training might not bode so well.
     
  6. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    You're gonna take Damien off, right? What with all of the reality changers going bye bye? Sucks though, cause Betelgeuise is the man.


    Oh, and Shurron, all of those are awesome.


    P.S. please add Brock Sampson to this list so maybe someone will pick him.
     
  7. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    That mean Freddy is gone as well? Because after last Monday's 24 he never should have beaten Jack:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=c-WeIbThdmY
     
  8. Zizz

    Zizz Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't see why Freddy would have to be taken off. He's a damn good character, and virtually unstoppable, but only if he gets his opponent to sleep. That's what it would come down to for every one of his matches. If he could get Neo to fall asleep, he'd beat Neo too.

    Problem is, there are a number of characters that Freddy can't forced to fall asleep. And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be all that great in a giant team battle. Unlike BJ, Freddy's actually got a limit on what he can do, because he's only powerful in dreams.
     
  9. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    But it's still in the reality changing thing. I am really not opposed to reality warpers, because most movie ones have a lot of context and you can tell their power levels. But for draft purposes it can get a little grey.
     
  10. Zizz

    Zizz Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, I think being a reality warper with limits makes Freddy ok. BJ was a bit much, because he could be chopped into 45 pieces and put himself back together, and then change his opponent into an inch worm. Freddy needs to find a way to get his opponent asleep first though. He'd have almost no chance against any half decent prepped characters, and the stronger, faster characters would also out do him because he wouldn't be able to hit them with a tranq dart, or whatever he comes up with.
     
  11. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral JCC Baseball Draft/SWC Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    I'm ok with leaving Freddy in, as long as we're able to better define his powers and abilities and weaknesses. If we can't do that, he gone. Ditto with Neo, to be honest.
     
  12. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    I think it is easier to fix the Neo situation that it will be for Beetlejuice/Freddy/and Jereth, all we have to do is ignore all this code rewriting stuff and his limits and powers are very well defined.

    He has super speed, strength, and can stop some attacks with a TK-like ability. He also has some really great hand to hand fighting skills. Anything beyond that and he becomes someone who rips through entire teams all on his own.....at least that is what he was allowed to do in this draft.

    Just view him more as a Smith while ignoring the ability to rewrite code and the problem is solved, if we do that his limits are fairly clear from what is seen in the Matrix films IMHO.
     
  13. crash_slayer

    crash_slayer Jedi Youngling star 3

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    The list has two number six's

    Number Six (Battlestar Galactica)
    Number Six (Battlestar Gallactica)

    Just pointing that out, man that is a huge lsit, i am never joining this draft WAY to much research required. :)
     
  14. Talon_Kenobi

    Talon_Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    A lot of these time warpers have weaknessessL


    See the problem is Freddy vs a Prepped tough guy Freddy is going to lose, I feel. Look at all the movies. How do they end? Some teenager realizes that if they wake up while touching Freddy, Freddy is taken to the real world. The TEENAGER then proceeds to kill him, heck some times they even blow him up with pipe bombs. Also, the Dream Warriors, were people with good control of their mind, as I understand it.

    From wiki

    It is seen though that Krueger can have fear and lose some control at times even in the dream world if his victim is strong enough like the ghost of his mother in "dream child."

    Many of the normal characters have shown to be strong willed and complete control of their mind. Plus Freddys main weapon in the dream world is fear. Freddy generally uses someones greatest fear against them, however, many of the tough guys really don't get scared. What is he going to do to Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, or James Bond in there dreams to make them get scared. They have never before shown to be scared. They have been tortured, beat, loved ones killed and what did that do? Piss them off. They are pretty much in complete control of emotions and when they do get pissed off it isn't like the anger clouds there judgemen, they usually fight better. Plus they also have the highest level of training there governments can offer. Both Jack and James Bond have been shown able to control there sleep patterns. James Bond was able to slow his heart rate down to near nothing. If he can do that he can control his sleep patterns which are much easier too do. So basically you prep these three they know everything about Freddy. It has been shown that the government knows about Freddy and Jason, even trying to drug an entire town so they don't dream about Freddy. So with CTU access, M16 access and being Jason Bourne they can learn a lot about Freddy. Some of the movies even show news clippings that describe crazy ranting from survivors. So these three, just as an example, prepped would probably purposely go to sleep. Freddy, being as cocky as he is would see this as a perfect kill and do his regular joking. He would then get too close and then bame next thing he knows he is in the real world tied to a chair being shown by these three that no dream is as scary as real life. And even if he tries to fight, all three of these people are more then ready to go to toe with that. Just watch Casino Royale to see Bonds fighting abilities. That fight in the stairway is probably just as fast as anything Freddy could do. Jason Bourne is insane too. And Jack Bauer, just look at that fight scene that was rescently posted. Also remember he was just released of 2 years of straight torture by the Chinesse, just been tortured by Fayed, he was shot, and blown up TWICE!

    So all in all, Freddy can be stopped, and it doesn't take Neo too do that.

    As for BeetleJuice...don't you just have to say his name 3 times? Prep anyone and he is beat pretty much, considering they are capable of learning that. Heck..with a Ghostbuster on your team you pretty much guarnteed to get rid of him instantly.

    So all in all I think many reality warpers are great, but have weaknessess, which many of the right people can exploit
     
  15. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    These are the characters I would remove, if we look at them without any fanlove at all none of these people really have a chance at survival in 95% of the matches they would be in. And some would contribute absolutely nothing IMO to any team battle, especially considering who is all on that list.

    That is just my .02 [face_peace]
     
  16. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral JCC Baseball Draft/SWC Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    Talon ... on paper, what you say is right ... but ... in reality, too many people argue "HE WARPSES REALITY!!!!!" and then we have to put up with much whining. Not worth it from my end. I just say no to reality warping, unless it is done in a very specific way (i.e. taking someone to dream world, using a wand, etc)
     
  17. Zizz

    Zizz Jedi Master star 4

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    Exactly.

    As for Freddy, well I don't think it's really possible to put a limit on his powers. He seems to be essentially all powerful, once he gets into that dream world. However, his main weakness still exists, and he would seem to be fairly easy to defeat by someone prepared, or just really hard to force to fall asleep.

    EDIT: Talon beat me to it.

    Problem with BJ though is that ONLY the prepared can beat him. Everyone else has no shot. Absolutely none.

    EDIT 2: And Inty, being prepared for any of the three JB's would simply mean making sure not to fall asleep against Freddy. And if they did that, then there's no way Freddy would get them to the dream world, or come close to beating them in a straight up fight. Even if Freddy was constantly prepared as well, it wouldn't matter.

    And as was proven this draft, Freddy definately wouldn't be able to get guys like Neo, Mr. Incrdible, Dash, or any of the monsters into that dream world. There are plenty of characters that could take him.
     
  18. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral JCC Baseball Draft/SWC Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    Jack Bauer (24)
    Leonidas (300)
    Profion (AD&D Movie)
    James Marshall (Air Force One)
    Jack Bristow (Alias)
    Syndey Bristow (Alias)
    Alien Queen (Alien series)
    Corpral Hicks (Alien series)
    Ellen Ripley (Alien series)
    Private Hudson (Alien series)
    Private Vasquez (Alien series)

    Patrick Bateman (American Psycho)
    Charles Gunn (Angel)
    Ilyria (Angel)
    Lindsey McDonald (Angel)
    Marcus Hamilton (Angel)
    The Beast (Angel)
    Evil Ash (Army of Darkness)
    Austin Powers (Austin Powers)
    Dr. Evil (Austin Powers)
    Number Six (Battlestar Gallactica)
    Beastmaster (Beastmaster)
    Betelgeuse (Beetlejuice)
    Egg Shen (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Lightning (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Lo Pan (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Rain (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Thunder (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Wang Chi (Big Trouble in Little China)
    Rick Deckard (Blade Runner)
    Roy Batty (Blade Runner)
    Abigail Whistler (Blade Series)
    Abraham Whistler (Blade Series)
    Blade (Blade Series)
    Blade (Blade Series)
    Deacon Frost (Blade Series)
    Drake (Blade Series)
    Hannibal King (Blade Series)
    Jared Nomak (Blade Series)
    Bonnie Parker (Bonnie And Clyde)
    Clyde Barrow (Bonnie And Clyde)

    William Wallace (Braveheart)
    Bride of Frankenstein (Bride of Frankenstein)
    Buffy Summers (Buffy series)
    Faith (Buffy series)
    Glory (Buffy series)
    Willow Rosenberg (Buffy series)
    Adam (Buffy)
    Caleb (Buffy)
    Rupert Giles (Buffy)
    The Master (Buffy)
    Warren Mears (Buffy)
    Spike (Buffy/Angel)
    Wesley Wyndam-Price (Buffy/Angel)
    Angel/Angelus (Buffy/Angel) (specify incarnation)
    The Sundance Kid (Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid )
    Butch Cassidy (Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid)
    Max Cady (Cape Fear)
    Chucky (Child?s Play)
    Lord Marshal (Chronicles of Riddick)
    Riddick (Chronicles of Riddick)
    Jack Ryan (Clear and Present Danger)
    Alex de Large (Clockwork Orange)
    Vincent (Collateral)
    John Matrix (Commando)
    Conan the Barbarian (Conan series)
    Thulsa Doom (Conan series)
    Balthazar (Constantine)
    Chas Kramer (Constantine)
    John Constantine (Constantine)
    Papa Midnite (Constantine)
    The Creature (Creature from the Black Lagoon)
    Li Mu Bai (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)
    Alec (Dark Angel)
    Max Guevara (Dark Angel)
    John Murdoch (Dark City)
    Mr. Book (Dark City)
    Mr. Hand (Dark City)
    Darkman (Darkman)
    John Spartan (Demolition Man)
    Simon Phoenix (Demolition Man)

    Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
    John McClane (Die Hard)
    Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)
    The Doctor (Dr. Who)
    Wong Fei Hung (Druken Master 2)
    Muad'Dib (Dune)
    Paul Atreides (Dune)
    Profion (Dungeons and Dragons)
    El Mariachi (El Mariachi trilogy)
    Bolo (Enter the Dragon)
    Han (Enter the Dragon)
    Lee (Enter the Dragon)
    Roper (Enter the Dragon)
    Williams (Enter the Dragon)
    Cleric Preston (Equilibrium)
    Vice-Counsel DuPont (Equilibrium)
    Snake Plissken (Escape From New York/L.A.)
    Ash (Evil Dead series)
    Tyler Durden (Fight Club)
    Ming the Mercilous (Flash Gordon)
    Joe (For a Few Dollars More)
    Frankenstein's Monster (Frankenstein)
    Jason Voorhees (Friday the 13th)
    Seth Gecko (From Dusk Till Dawn)
    Bill the Butcher (Gangs of New York)
    Egon Spengler (Ghostbusters)
    Gozer the Gozarian (Ghostbusters)
    Peter Venkman (Ghostbusters)
    Ray Stantz (Ghostbusters)
    Winston Zeddemore (Ghostbusters)
    Commodus (Gladiator)
    Maximus Decimus Meridius (Gladiator)
    Baragon (Godzilla movies)
    Godzilla (Godzilla movies)
    King Ghidorah (Godzilla movies)
    Mecha Godzilla (Godzilla movies)
    Mothra (Godzilla movies)

    Henry Hill (GoodFellas)
    Jimmy "The Gent" Conway (GoodFellas)
    Tommy DeVito (GoodFel
     
  19. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    Sorry, but Mr. Incredible loses to a prepared Freddy IMO. Maybe not Dash, but I don't think Dash has the offense to beat peak Freddy(Freddy Vs. Jason Freddy who was still conscious with his head cut off. No way.



    And he is definitely not all powerful. He's got some power, but even if he could get everyone on the list into dream world, there are several I can see beating him still. The way in which he actually kills people is pretty basic and not really all that powerful. They're pretty much just hypnotized. I kind of think you should drop him just because he can be so lame.



    EDIT:


    Don Vito Corleone (The Godfather)
    Michael Corleone (The Godfather)
    Santino 'Sonny' Corleone (The GodFather)
    Vincent Mancini (The GodFather)


    Simply guys with guns...and not even state of the art guns at that. Lose 'em. Their knowledge is of absolutely no use to the draft. nNothing special and, indeed, overrated. Get 'em off before anyone picks them again.


    Power Rangers

    Keep 'em, I say. Give 'em a shot. Though, for nostalgia's sake, I'd keep it to first edition myself.


    Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean)

    As far as guys with swords go, I'd definitely keep him. Some leadership ability, and he's pretty indestructable against your normal guy. At least better than most of the other normal guys.


    General George Patton (Patton)


    Not a fighter, way past his prime, and his area of expertise is useless against a lot of the more powerful types.


    Freddy Krueger (Nightmare on Elm Street)


    Seems like a bum more times than not, to me. I say lose him, but wouldn't be bothered if he stayed.


    Aslan (Narnia)


    Could be interesting. I say leave him in, if only for his B-level stuff, and if he doesn't work out we can lose him. His leadership is off the charts, and B-level he's pretty good offensively. You know, for a lion.


    Gandalf (Lord of the Rings)
    Saruman (Lord of the Rings)



    Movie feats only, I'd say. The book has way too much exposition and he can do this and he can do that that he's never shown. At A-level both of these guys are still good picks.


    Jareth (Labyrinth)

    Why? He doesn't have reality warping powers, does he? How is he worse than Voldemort or Gandalf? Take him at face value, and he's a good pick. Go by feats. Intangibility, invisibility, etc. Or lose him, I don't care.


    Kung Fu Hustle

    Uhh, I don't think we really need the Harpists, but those other guys are all really good. The Harpists are really good too, but if you wanted to cut anybody, I would cut Either them or Coolie. Maybe Donut.


    Howard the Duck...lol


    Peter Petrelli...I guess I'd have to be up to date with the show to see the big problem with his powers. It is kind of lame, though, having a guy that just copies every one else. Could be very useful though.

    Gozer

    To be honest, D1 was spouting a good game, but I just don't see Gozer being incredibly powerful. Some teleportation, mind reading, pathetic lightning attacks, and a giant form That's nowhere near as strong as the other beasts. Lose her because she's such a bum, I say. And the gate definitely has to be there, I would think.


    Jason Vorhees

    What's the problem? Superbeast Jason X. What do you need clarification on him for?


    Thulsa Doom

    A-level. Heck, if you're gonna do that, just lose him all together. Another bum pick, to me.

     
  20. whiteeagle

    whiteeagle Jedi Master star 6

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    if we're gonna include Gunn, Wesley and Giles for the Buffy & Angel series then we need to include these guys...

    Connor - the miracle child born from two vamps, could take out most on this draft

    Darla- the vampire who sired Angel

    Drusilla- another vamp who was w/ Angel, Darla and Spike in their heyday

    meh. just my 2 cents. even though inty already posted the list. :)
     
  21. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean)

    In a few weeks we'll have clarity on just how he survived. Barbossa didn't really fetch that many wins.
    How many of you argued he'd just be blown up an have pieces scattered everywhere. That's why he was a decent
    6-7th round pick. The immortality is good for the average action hero not wielding a lot of explosives or the superheroes
    that aren't that powerful. But any of the top tier guys can take down Barbossa. I say leave Barbossa in. He's a decent pick.
    He wins some matches and he loses some.
     
  22. Talon_Kenobi

    Talon_Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    I think the ABSOULETE hardest person to beat in this draft would be IT. I did read the book and see the movie but it has been a long time. I know he works on fears, but how exactly did Bill kill it. He used his imagination to make his inhaler into acid or something and that defeated him. I am not really sure. If that is the case I guess again people with strong minds could beat him, maybe. But that might be pushing it..since he is basically the god. I guess if you put "The Turtle" in this draft to even it. But I think that is how it went down in the book.

    SO thats three reality warpers I have thought of away to beat (although Pennywise is pushing it, but it did work I think). Whose next lol.

    I also say we remove any character from Buffy that is not Angel, Willow, Buffy, Spike or maybe Riley or Giles. Most of them are just humans and can't compete. Giles does have some magic though and Riley is tough. But no Xander or Anya (unless demon even then not too good and reality warping)BUFFY EDIT or Tara or Dawn. Umm Connor would be good. Druisilla and the other one were always meh for me but they are vamps END OF BUFFY EDIT.

    Maybe we can have a time warp category too. How many rounds is this? 10. So say have a monster category and a time warp. Only one pick from each. One in the 3rd round one in the 6th. Or clump them together. I am sure we can make a list of time warpers. Although like I said, many have a weakness.

    Oh and how about Micheal Myers.

    I also think Smallville is fine. CK is different then superman. He can't fly, isn't as fast or strong. However, he COULD give Neo a run for his money. Plus hte rest of the Justice League would be good.
     
  23. JediKnight20043

    JediKnight20043 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Smallville. Here comes the essay :p


    Why should we have CK?

    While Clark certainly isn't 'team leader' material, he's definately a power house and is easily capable of holding his own in this draft. He's definately a good pick for anybodies team though, as apart from the fact he's powerful, he's smart and tends to make solid decisions that are beneficial to those around him.

    I think if we were too take all of the 'hero' characters only on there Smallville feats then it could work out well.

    In the catagorie above id put.

    Clark Kent - Heat Vision, superbreath, Superspeed, X-ray vision, superstrength and near invulnerability.
    Arthur Curry - Superstrength, Waterswimming
    Oliver Queen - Gadget arrows, including gas and emps, has very good combat skills.
    Bart Allen - Superspeed
    Victor Stone - Enhance strength, superstamina, durability, and the ability to hack into any computer system
    Andrea Rojas - "The Angel of Vengeance" - Super-strength and Agility


    However one thing I would like to see in the draft is perhaps some of the meteor freaks, while none of them are overly powerful, each of them has been able to hold their own against Clark in some way, shape or form, giving them ample status in this draft. But don't expect a straight victory from them, they all have their downside.

    There not too powerful, and there practically unique to smallville.

    Greg Arkin - Insect like powers, ie:- Superstrength, and speed, as well as the ability to spin webs.

    Walt Arnold - Pyrokinesis

    Jeremy Creek - Electrokinesis

    Nathan Green - Shriek Powerful And Deadly Sound Waves

    Justin Gaines - Telekinesis

    Tina Greer - Can assume the form of any person at will, super-strength

    Ryan James - Telepathy

    Tommy Lee - projecting electrical blasts and can absorb energy from an electrical device

    Trent MacGowen - morph his body parts into metallic weapons

    Jed McNally - displaces minerals in the ground therefore burrowing

    Bryon Moore - turns into superbeast in direct sunlight

    Seth Nelson - Magnetic contol, can control minds through this power.

    Buffy Sanders - Vampire, Super-strength

    All-in-all, any of these picks would be beneficial to the team, as they provide a unique (in most cases :p ) angle to the draft. Each of them are perfectly capable of holding their own in the draft, despite their lack of huge power. Plus, it makes it easier to pick some cool people in later rounds, without having to search through reems of un-cool picks.
     
  24. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    He didn't use his imagination to turn his inhalher into acid. The inhaler was a placebo the entire time, I think it was because he believed it could save him that it did. I think that because he believed it would do something it did, because he did it when they were kids, too, but it was a placebo back then, too, I think. Been a long time since I've seen It, and Stephen King and I never did get along.



    That post needs a ton of editing...but I'm too lazy right now.
     
  25. Talon_Kenobi

    Talon_Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    RIGHT...I knew it was a placebo, but I am sure he used his mind to think that it was acid or something that spread out. I thought there was some realization there that his mind could do that. Again, like you, me and King don't get a long (although I like him escpeacially The Cell), but I am almost sure there was something special about imagination and a childs imagination that helped them win. I am not sure
     
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