MOD The *Official* People Need To Chill Out Thread (including me)

This thread has been coming for quite a while. I am leaving it as a "sticky" thread for now because I hope more users will notice it and take a glance inside.


It is with great reluctance I have agreed to this calling. I love The Clone Wars. I love LACWAC. The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has been abated!

It has been a long summer without a great deal of spoilers/news about The Clone Wars. We had many, many circular conversations, even moreso than during the average TCW season. We had some users that became, in my opinion, overly sensitive about certain things in TCW, or about criticism of their posts. Of course, we also had a great deal of baiting and flaming, and some people were even briefly banned.

I jokingly quoted Palpatine and his reference to a "crisis", and yet I can't help but feel that both TCW and this forum are act a crossroads.

We went through a roller-coaster of a season in Season 3, but the consensus was the 2nd half was a whole heck of a lot better than the first half. There was reason to be optimistic. It was a slow summer, and now that Season 4 has begun with an underwhelming season premiere, it seems the knives are out once again.

It is completely fair to criticize TCW, Filoni, and Lucas, for the quality of the shows, their decisions in plot, character development, and continuity. This is, after all, the internet. They have made questionable decisions in the past and produced some fairly-terrible episodes. They have also produced some incredible episodes and at times, have bettered the PT films.

However, I have been seeing a near-fixation on attacking Filoni and Lucas for every decision made and at some point, I don't think it serves any purpose. I have seen an increase in baiting from users who usually enjoy the show on its own merits, and an understandable increase in their collective frustration.

It also appears to me that the overall "pendulum" of LACWAC is swinging towards the Dark Side, if you will, when for Seasons 1 and 2 I would say it was mostly Light Side.

Is it easier to debate controversial points? Probably. I guess if we all thought every aspect of each episode was fantastic, there wouldn't be a whole lot of discussion. And the consensus right now is that the show has never looked better, so there's not much discussion on this. Which is too bad, because it needs to be mentioned.

Much of the debate is around (perceived?) continuity changes and the writing. These are legitimate areas for criticism, and I myself have posted frequently on these points. But at what point do you simply become resigned to TCW making changes? Is it rational to become just as angry each time they change some established fact? Is it healthy? I don't mind a discussion of what has changed and whether or not it is a change for the better, but I think the attacks on Lucas and Filoni serve no purpose, here in Season 4.


Anyway, I'm sure fanboy or someone else will give me a tl;dr and that's fine, but I wanted to address my concerns to the forum.

LACWAC is the best forum I have ever modded. We rarely have to ban people. You generally speaking are very considerate to each other, considerate of spoilers, and the level of debate, in terms of quality of debate and the depth of SW knowledge, is incredible, at least to me. I have been able to stay on as LACWAC manager when I have changed law firms and became a father because it is low maintenance. You should be proud of yourselves for the quality of the forum.

Let's try to cut back the negativity and stop any personal attacks, and focus on what we enjoy about the show.

I welcome any responses in this thread or you can always feel free to PM me.

Thanks,
G_M

 

Hey it is not our fault if TCW gets worse over time I like lacwacers i have nothing against positive people but lately this bashers/gushers war has been raging on and i've no doubt joined to "basher's side"- it is not my intention i don't want to choose sides in any war- we could have a friendly debate but negative reviews are easily critisized and that's not nice ..... I'll defend freedom of opinion that is worth fighting for.

Criticizing show should be okay but criticizing opinion is not- of course we can ask "why" someone has some opinion, but this "Stop watching the show" stuff is too much- people have no right to command others like that....

As said many times you don't have to like TCW to discuss it here- this is not "TCW-fanclub for gushers only"- this is place where everyone who wants to talk about TCW can talk about TCW-

I know what kind of TCW i would like to see and i'll tell here when it is like that and when it is not.

These first arcs of this season just are awful- hopefully Umbara delivers and i enjoy it- but by far season4 have been letdown- I don't want to think like that- but i'll say what I think - no TV-show is worth of perfectly positive review anyway, I have liked many episodes of TCW but now season4 needs some good episodes to keep me interested.....

Whatever- my "TCW sucks" comments are not to be taken as insult it is an opinion- no one here should be insulted by them- it may be said pretty roughly but I happen to do that ......

Without LACWAC i think i wouldn't be so interested in TCW anymore- LACWAC is a wonderful place- we shouldn't let it become battlefield..... May the peace remain in LACWAC

ugh sounds so much like TCW-Padmé

 

The cyclical conversations are what kept me away for most of the summer. I think most of my anger that I felt back during the first two season has dissolved into a sort of apathy instead. I've been a little snippy lately, I admit, but I just don't really have the same spark from watching TCW as I used to. I'm not sure if that has to do with the quality of the show or myself.

I figure its better to be jaded and just respond with an "eh" most of the time, but I definitely see how that could be considered more negative than positive. I want to be a bit more neutral this season, especially after how enthusiastic I was S1-S2 and how angry I was for S3.

 

Indeed. I think the worst is the very common double standard. How many times have the movies got rid of/contradict the so called "established facts of the EU"? How many times has the EU contradict itself? Or even the so much praised Genndy series? Yet I've never heard so much criticism when that happened, but since it's TCW (a Lucas version of things), let's bash it for both minor and major contradictions, even when they make sense.

There's also the fallacious argument of saying this or that is bad because character X or Y did not appear (specially when there is no real need to).

Anyway, with that said, I can criticize the series too. It's not perfect (but then again, nothing is). However, I think recently some of the criticism is getting too far and ridiculous.

 

To me, I don't really see that much of a problem in the overall negativism and heightened criticism of Lucas & Co. If that's what people feel like, then go ahead and criticize to your heart's content. Though I do think some of us could stand to give better appreciation to what the show gets right as well, instead of just bundling everything into a simple "this sucks".

But to me, the big problem plaguing LACWAC lately is the increased intolerance of each other among some users. I'm tired of people forcing their opinion upon others, putting others down for liking/disliking something about the show, etc. You can agree or disagree with someone else's opinion, but you can NEVER pretend to tell others what to think, or diminuish them for what they believe.

In that spirit, yeah, let's all chill out and enjoy some Star Wars among good friends.

 

The overreaction to every little thing has become tiresome, I do long for the days of 2009( hell, I wouldn't mind those clone debates with Brennen) when we would have discussions about the episodes rather then the "bashers" , "gushers" and Filoni's competence.

Good times.........

 

The show's as good as it ever was, if not better at this point. People really do need to chill out. This is all mostly stemming from people being butthurt over perceived continuity changes.

 

"What is overreaction" that is not easy to define and it is not really your place to say how people can react- you shared your opinion, that is only thing you can do- if people overreact then let them overreact.....

 

I generally lurk more than I post, but even I've noticed the decline of quality conversation on these boards.

C'mon guys. Let's be friends again.

 

"Underwhelming" is a point of view, GARTH_MAUL. The Haters and Gushers are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater fandom.
Once the "crisis" has abated, are you going to lay down your power, or go Order 66 on some LACWACers?

 

An "overreaction" would be saying season four sucks even though we have only seen two episodes, and there have been posters who have said that.

 

Yeah I did but i meant season 4 sucks "so far" let's not overreact to overreactions either.....

 

This is not intended as a rant of sorts, I'd just really like to explain why I haven't been active over summer.

I got really annoyed with LACWAC because of several topics being brought up over and over and over again. Most notably the fact that at some point, every single thread turned into a 'MORTIS SUCKS' rant, because some people felt the need to make that point everywhere they could and as many times as possible.

In my opinion that is a form of trolling, especially when the debate is about something else altogether and someone is constantly finding ways to bring up the same unrelated thing over and over.

So I decided to stay away until the new season started, and upon my return I noticed that nothing has changed. People are complaining that certain points (For example: Tikkes) are being made again and again in every possible thread.

So yeah, I'm glad I didn't miss anything over summer.

However, I used to love this place, so it's a shame really. All I can say is that no matter how very much I am in disagreement with someone, I'll never make it a personal thing. I do agree however, that despite the negative tone of things, this place is a den of relative politeness compared to other places I frequent, even though I think there are a couple of individuals who are getting away with constant trolling. It could be worse, is all I can say.

I don't give a hoot about TCW messing with EU continuity. The EU is just that: EU. Even if I would care, it should be clear by now that it'll happen anyway. It's a fictional universe, people, F-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-L.

I'm sure a few good episodes will lighten the mood quickly. The only question is: How soon?

 

As often seems the case with the internet. People just can't see eye to eye well when reading text, overreacting, and declaring a season sucks after two episodes they don't like is part of the internet stupid. I've been through the same thing with the South Park AWESOME-O forum since season 11. Others just can't handle others opinions. I honestly don't think people are intentionally flame bating, attention whoring, or trolling, I kind of think people may not know better and often don't understand exactly what constitutes those things. This forum is actually mild mannered and moderation is relaxed which both make it enjoyable. I've been and currently am members of several forums. I've seen much, much worse. I would like to add that everyone is welcome to their opinion but inserting it over and over and over again every bloody thread does get annoying. I want to be clear that that is a form of trolling.

I have several personal rules I use on forums such as never calling anyone out directly in a negative manner, trying never to talk about the same thing repetitively or post the same thing in threads simultaneously which is cross posting and I try to ignore flamebating or flaming posts. Sometimes I unwittingly go a round or two but I'll drop it. I don't care if the other person looks the smarter. Its annoying, disrupting, and a waste. I'm going to try harder stick to those rules, to stop bashing Filoni unless its really warranted, I'm going to try harder to stay on topic, and I'm going to stop posting one liners.

I never told anyone not to watch the show, merely wondered why they were hanging in there with something they disliked. I like this forum and actually enjoy every regular member I've interacted with but I personally tend to only stick around on forums to discuss things I enjoy. I admit that I am one of those casual fans people hate. My interests tend to fade in and out. Its likely I will eventually lose interest in TCW/Star Wars and disappear with no idea when I'll return. Sorry if that offends anybody.

I am willing to be the LACWAC girl who officially cares and anyone with concerns, who just wants to talk, wants guidance in what to post, or has a rant is welcome to PM me. I'll respond as soon as I can.

 

Yeah, 100% agreed. That, in my eyes, is the single most annoying thing about LACWAC.

Although the Force knows I've been guilty of being repetitive myself.

 

In the spirit of this thread:

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Indeed. Even back in the days of blocky animation and near-constant battledroid humour things were never this bad. The show?s only gotten better since then yet there is increased negativity towards it. Season 3 even ended on a high note for most people, yet the show was torn to pieces over the summer.

I guess the honeymoon?s over...

 

IMO some people (like me) thought the second half of S3 was great, (Mortis being the outlier, that was very Love it or hate it) and see that as the future of TCW. These two recent episodes seem to be a return to the old type of storytelling that I personally dislike, instead of moving forward. So when instead of being impressed it's just 'meh' overwhelming negativity takes over.

But yes, I do agree, everybody just has to chillax. Attacking each other is unnecessary and gets the discussion nowhere.

 

I think David Byrne said it best when he said:

You start a conversation you can't even finish it.
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?

 

Garth, you might need a tl;dr version.

 

Sweet, I got my own personal mention.

 

Isn't this pretty much another 'optimistic appreciation' thread?

 

Here it is: chill out, man.

 

I guess I should take responsibility for my multiple Pursuit Of Peace/Padme character derailment TL;DR rants.

I still can't find that 'Official Padme In TCW' thread...

Really, LACWAC's thread index should be updated with all the hot topic threads and new ones - Padme, Mortis, politics, Grievous, CIS victories, Mandalorians, etc. I think most of the indexed threads are of 2010 vintage.

That 'TCW/Continuity' thread deserves to be permanently at the top of the page, IMO. The issues are discussed on a daily basis, but if the thread gets buried on Page 3 in the off-season, everyone is just going to pile into the episode-specific and general threads.