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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Interesting! Chief Inquisitors…

    Two Grand Inquisitor’s is very Rule of Two, and very Palpatine.
     
  2. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Master star 4

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    You could do Two Grand Inquisitors if you wanted too. Both are in charge of the Inquisitors. The Cheif Inquisitors are the Brother/Sister ones. Becoming a High Inquisitor means you can skip the Cheif Inquisitor. As say when Second Sister dies. A spot is open for one of the regular rank Inquisitors can take. But if your someone like Jerec who has skill and knowledge I feel Palpatine will grant you the rank of High Inquisitor skipping that process entirely.

    So theirs 4 options you can do for the Grand Inquisitor issue.

    I just figure that way you don't have two different organizations with similar purposes and same name. You can have Two Grand Inquisitors if you wanted considering in one canon we have two Royal vizors.
     
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  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Funny thought…

    Pellaeon and Daala reading Intel reports about Moff Gideon.

    “Mount Tantiss cloners, Darksaber, mass murderer of Mandalorian’s, extremist Imperials who make us look vanilla, Dark Troopers, a dang cape and he’s obsessed with a baby. Who even is this guy?”
     
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  4. ColeFardreamer

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    Random Intel guy responding to their rhetoric question: "We only know, Sir, that he ran a fast food chain up until his return to the Imperial Military after he had to fake his death because of some trouble with the spice cartells."


    PS: And more honestly, given how connected Gideon seems to be, I do wonder when it clicks for Pellaeon and he recognises his old bosses patterns. Aka Thrawn and the hidden Agenda of the First Order.
    Did Gideon ever meet Hethir? Cronal/Blackhole? Pestage? Maybe even Jerec or others? Errand boy Gideon may be connecting a lot of singular Legends factions and people.
     
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  5. Fallen Jedi Master

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    I like to think he was connected at some point with Desann and had originally worked with the Dark Troopers project with him. I could see him also working with Hethir and Treymayne as well.
    Especially Treymayne, since he was heavily involved with alot of Imperial remnants during that time behind the scenes. I could definitely see Treymayne involved with the Dark Troopers -Grogu project.
     
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  6. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Second Imperium umbrella for me includes the former Inquisitors, Hethrir and the Empire Reborn, and Gideon, and of course the Shadow Academy and then One Sith later on. Because Brakiss confirms that their 'new leader' sent him to Yavin 4, that means Palpatine did, under the veneer of a hologram version of himself.
     
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  7. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Master star 4

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    I like that idea!!! Not only are they all working together!!
    But their "new Leader" actually being their old one is pretty good in my opinion.
    I do love how Palpatine still being alive really changes alot of post-ROTJ Legends lore. But changes in a way that I actually like.

    Another One canon thing I was thinking. So in Star wars visions the creators specifically say that the Ninth Jedi takes place ROS and that the main characters will probably eventually meet Rey, Ashoka and Ezra that's 6 Jedi.
    You know what other Jedi they can meet in One canon? A Jedi with a certain hat if you know what I'm saying?
     
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  8. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Although almost nobody actually knew that (including Brakiss, and probably Daala). Like I said, I like the idea that it was a trial run for whether ex-Imperials were ready for the return of Palpatine that ultimately was deemed unsuccessful, hence the decision to create Snoke as a suspiciously similar substitute instead.
     
  9. Sinrebirth

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    I imagine Daala gassing the warlords and unifying them under her anti-Force user policies did a lot of damage to his plans. Let alone Pellaeon taking the Dreadnoughts he had saved up. His revenge of course being playing Daala like a fiddle later on, and gloating when Pellaeon and Daala lose everything.

    After the 23 ABY Battle of Yavin the Yuuzhan Vong are too close, and he leaves the Deep Core be. This is also about the time Snoke takes over the First Order, probably, he encourages the Centrist Empire to join the New Republic Senate (thus we see Commenor take Elom’s seat on the Advisory Council), and of course tries to find Dathan one more time.

    By that point he’s tried Reborn, Shadow Troopers, Sith cultists and Dark Jedi. So the next evolution is the One Sith, and Darth Krayt, as a crippled but powerful man, is useful. His ability to see the future still, as a former Jedi, makes him the Emperor’s Eye… and Amedda becomes the Emperor’s Voice.

    Which in-turn explains why the New Jedi Order is so thoroughly decimated by the time of TFA; Palpatine had not just the Knights of Ren publicly pursuing the surviving Jedi, but also the One Sith chipping away at them. Throw in the One Sith taking on the Tribe’s leavings, and you have the foundation of an immense One Sith Order by the time of the Legacy era… and I may even go far enough to suggest that the plan to create lobotomised Sith Troopers was Palpatine’s. He need not worry about the One Sith forgetting their place; they’ll be outnumbered by the Sith Troopers eventually.

    Does it make Darth Krayt‘s successes more palatable? A mere eighty years after the last Great War? Yes. Yes it does. For me, anyway; that the man confidently seized control of the Grand Design from Palpatine and refined it, made it his own, cut out the mistakes of Palpatine.
     
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  10. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    So did the Kemp clones, Formbi-Thrawn etc. tie into the First Order and plans, or counter to those? Did Exegol know about the clones?

    Was there a "replace people in secret" plot that never got kicked off or anywhere?
    Was there a safeguard by Thrawn in case the GFFA and NJO loose too many strong Jedi, so he could have his own ready should the Sith become a problem? Maybe Felclones were not the only ones Thrawn seeded across the galaxy! What other communities are there? Who else cloned aplenty? And why or for a reason the most prominent "kemp" clones kept back in the UR for they would be noticed if seeded likewise?


    PS: Does Legends have any dark skinned or unpictured Moffs or characters that could be merged with Moff "no first name yet" Gideon? Or as undercover alias or else of him?
     
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  12. Sinrebirth

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    IC: Darth Sidious the Eternal
    Dwartii, the Thirteen Thrones

    They were all stones, standing akin to a giant hand reaching for the skies.

    Thirteen grasping fingers.

    Two hands and more besides.

    Darth Wyyrlok - formerly Mas Amedda, found himself staring at the three fingered hand of his mangled master.

    The Emperor.

    Palpatine.

    Darth Sidious.

    And, more recently, White Eyes.

    The great architect of the collapse of the galaxy, not once, but twice, with a third and final act planned.

    Not a Galactic Empire, beholden to a corrupted Republic, nor a Dark Empire, broken upon by treacherous Advisors, but a true Final Order - the Sith Eternal. The seed of the first Sith Emperor, left in the care of the Rhandites of Red Space; the so-called Nihil Retreat, the Twilight Void, the Gunninga Gap, the Perann Nebula.

    Today they stood, only three of them truly present, the other ten illusionary Black Coats. Wyyrlok shifted uneasily in his, though Ren seemed nonchalant within his own. Protection from the Darknesses was a prerequisite of acting in the dark side. To seize the Force one must oppose the madness of the Old Ones, for they merely burn, and Palpatine?

    He sculpted with destruction.

    The Chagrian winced.

    Ren was here, slightly behind him on the stone pillar, signifying his lower position in the Grand Design. But Wyyrlok was more interested in the three pillars between he and his Master. Others had stood between him and Palpatine before; Maul, Tyranus, Vader. Others had stood besides him; Thrawn, Tarkin, Rax - favoured servants. And others still had stood behind him; Sly Moore, Oochi of Bestoon, Mara Jade.

    But even then, most had not had a glimpse of the Design.

    Wyyrlok, as Mas Amedda, always had, back when Palpatine had himself been the apprentice to Darth Plagueis, the Muun who had led the shadow economy that would birth the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Wyyrlok sniffed.

    “Let us begin,” Sidious hissed.

    It was in the months after the Yuuzhan Vong War that they had rhymed that there would be no danger in them meeting outside the Unknowns, or beyond the shadows of the Cloister of XoXaan, the hovel the One Sith concealed themselves within on Korriban.

    He gestured to the illusionary Black Coats behind Wyyrlok; he and Ren turned slightly to regard the secondary cast. “The Yuuzhan Vong War changed much of the galactic dynamic. This required us to adapt to the formation of the Galactic Alliance between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant.” He spat the latter word. Wyyrlok knew how much he despised Pellaeon’s egalitarian regime, which sought to turn away from the Sith.

    Three Black-Coats withdrew their hoods. “Senators Ormes Apollin and Cerise Sindian have served us well within the New Republic Senate, nurturing the Centrist Party into a force for stalemate.” Indeed they had, reasoned Wyyrlok; after all he had recruited them, as the former, doting Grand Vizier of the defeated Galactic Empire, which had ‘dissolved’ so as to join the Senate as a single political bloc. The third was man cutting a distinctive Imperial jawline, and Wyyrlok recognised him, too. “Moff Quillan has long served as our agent within the Moff Council, having provided us with access to the Remnant executive boards and diverting materiel to the Unknowns.” Quillan’s position as one of the surviving eight Imperial Moffs had allowed them to turn portions of Pellaeon’s regime to their use, especially with companies relocating to the Remnant, setting up spin-offs like Kuat-Entralla Engineering or Jaemus-Seinar Systems - groups responsible for the Resurgent-class Star Destroyers and plethora of advanced TIE designs that served the First Order.

    A flex of a mottled hand and two more Black-Coats were unmasked. “Added to our Design are Senators Haydnat Treen and Fost Bramsin, both serving in the Galactic Alliance Senate. They serve via intermediaries…” Wyyrlok heard Palpatine’s grave voice falter, clearly a second thought unspoken, which the Chagrian knew would be something along the lines of. ”… for as long as Bramsin is cognisant. The man was the Old Republic Senator for Coruscant, and so a natural choice for the Alliance Senate, a much smaller organisation made of those who wished direct membership to take advantage of the relaxed military regulations of the Galactic Alliance. The Corellians, Bothans and Kuati were among several groups that had sought dual-membership, and of course the Alliance Senate also welcomed representatives from the Hutts, Hapans, Remnant and other powers outside the traditional sphere of New Republic territory, which itself had been reduced by the recent Yuuzhan Vong War.

    No surprises there.

    Two more Black-Coats were unmasked, one standing at the same level as Ren. Wyyrlok eyed them both. “Brendol Hux rebuilds our Stormtrooper Corps, and Ennic Pryde our fleet strength.” The latter was eyed up by Ren, but Wyyrlok knew that Pryde was elevated because he knew of Palpatine, and not just Snoke. For a time other naval officers had stood in for Hux; Rae Sloane, Gilad Pellaeon, Natasi Daala - but they had been mere pawns rather than true contributors.

    That was seven.

    Wyyrlok eyed the position opposite him.

    The Black-Coat was unmasked as Darth Krayt, fourth in the pecking. An unconscious ache resonated within his decapitated lethorn, having been removed by the fallen Jedi in their first meeting. “Lord Krayt will command the One Sith, with your supervision, as his Voice when he is in stasis.” Wyyrlok looked to the milk-coloured eyes of his master. Krayt was suffering from a virulent Yuuzhan Vong infection which the Force could not defeat. As such he was often required to freeze his body to prevent its progression, but that simply allowed them access to his Visions, for his former ties as a Lightsider availed him access to the future that they did not have otherwise, especially not since the Prophets of the Dark Side were long gone, and the Rhandite’s mad frothing was merely good for apocalyptic foresight. “And I shall attend Korriban when you are needed elsewhere.” Wyyrlok in his guise of Mas Amedda had long walked a narrow line among the politicians of the Empire, New Republic and Remnant, advising the likes of Fyor Rodan, Borsk Fey’lya and Moff Gideon, and the Centrist infection within the New Republic Senate require oft-tweaking.

    But he knew that Palpatine would not be long able to leave Exegol. His time in the Ommin Cage, a life-support casket designed originally by an ancient Sith King, was becoming more and more necessary, especially as the body he now inhabited - and had for some two decades - suffered. But Palpatine’s clone laboratories had not been fully set up on Exegol when Byss was destroyed, and so the transference from Onderon had seen the great Emperor trapped, unable to leap into a new form unless perfectly compatible. Many efforts had failed, or had succeeded in the worst way - the only successful creation had been a Force-mute son, and his escapades and subsequent death had distracted Palpatine from his plots and plans involving the Second Imperium.

    The grandchild had been lost.

    But the surviving Dark Jedi of the Imperium’s Shadow Academy had withdrawn to Korriban, and became the nucleus of a New Sith Order. Palpatine had long aspired to be the One Sith - the Dark Lord whose power was so ascendant that no cabal of darksiders could oppose him - and so it naturally flowed that Krayt’s vision of a One Sith Order would become. He reinvigorated the defeated Dark Jedi, and the One Sith would be poised to strike at the Jedi in short order, having already been useful in discovering the location of various Thrawn-era cloning facilities and troves of abandoned Rakatan technology. With his affliction, Krayt was no threat to the Emperor, and Wyyrlok rarely had to intervene between them, and their compact was undoubtedly sealed by Krayt’s belief that the Emperor would not overcome his own physical difficulties, and when said clone succumbed the great Palpatine would be dragged into the netherworld with it.

    Wyyrlok’s heart skipped a beat at that thought. Utter fear gripped him. Not for him, nor even for his daughter, who would undoubtedly one day bear his Sith name, but for his Emperor, the dark light of his universe. The Chagrian dismissed the heretical notion that his master could cease to be.

    Not even death could stop the great Darth Sidious.

    But there were two more left.

    One, closest to Palpatine, unmasked, and Wyyrlok relaxed somewhat; it was merely Snoke, the malformed clone of the Emperor that had proven useful as a proxy, the Supreme Leader of the First Order. Rax’s folly, they had needed to take control of the nascent regime from Sloane, an unplanned part of the Contingency that had been originally designed to head to Exegol and prepare for the eventual regime based from there. But it had been easy enough to seize - the Attendants, gifted hyperspace navigators that had served the Grysk in their efforts against the Chiss, they had been offered to the young First Order by Snoke, who reinforced the former Imperials and subtly positioned himself as its ultimate Supreme Leader.

    All at the behest of Palpatine, of course.

    Where the Supreme Leader ended and the Emperor began, Wyyrlok could not say, but the Snoke template, as monstrous and malformed as it was, had proven capable of duplication, and so on Exegol there were plenty spare for when Snoke inevitably broke down. Cloning science had long been limited when it came to cloning Force users. Geniuses such as Vader and Thrawn had all dedicated energies to the problem, but the fundamental issue remained that copying a powerful Force user was nigh-impossible. It was easier to brainwash someone into believing that they were clone than creating one!

    The Emperor explained how Snoke would be the ruler of the First Order, as a vanguard for the Sith Eternal. All that was of note there was that Starkiller Base would be assigned to Snoke to cultivate, but that was logical being as Ilum fell within his ostensible territory. With the Empire of the Hand having been smashed by First Order forces at the height of the Yuuzhan Vong War, the heart of the Unknowns had been cleared, and the remnants of Thrawn’s loyalists had fled into Chiss space. The Killiks were advancing on their territory anyway, and Palpatine expected the Chiss to be more focused there than investigating the mysterious enemy that had battered the Empire of the Hand. But subtlety would be needed, and the Supremacy - the mobile capital-shipyard - would remain out of sight even inside the Unknowns, nestled between stars and working on the next wave of Star Destroyers. “Snoke will remain there unless he is needed in the Knowns to complete a task for me.”

    “I guess this has to do with the last guy,” Ren sarcastically opined, pointing at the relatively short and slim final Black-Coat. “He’s gotta be important if you put him above Fang-Face and Tats-Boy.” He indicated Wyyrlok and Krayt respectively. The Chagrian bared said fangs in response. Ren shrugged, nonchalant to the end.

    “Yes,” crowed Palpatine. “Ben Solo shall be my ultimate instrument.” The teen, the youngest of Solo brats, was revealed, and Wyyrlok felt the selfsame twinge within him when he ever heard the Emperor speak of Maul, Tyranus, or any of the Skywalker’s.

    His intended apprentice.

    It wasn’t jealousy; Wyyrlok had long passed beyond such things. But it was certainly envy.


    A slight sigh, and he swung to regard the illusions of the others.

    Twelve men and women, unified in ultimate service to the Emperor.

    And Darth Wyyrlok stood as fifth.

    It wasn’t a bad place to stand.

    His lowest point had been as Acting Emperor, kept on Coruscant and forced to act the fool to Gallius Rax. Forbidden to use his Force powers by his master, the then-Mas Amedda had been subjected to all manner of humiliation, and required to sign the Galactic Concordance. Exposed to all kinds of ridicule, the surviving Moffs in the Core and Inner Rim, as well as a cabal of Lords, had caused him no end of grief before he was allowed to depart for Korriban. So he was content to be lower down the pecking order for now.

    When the Emperor took back direct rule in malevolent fashion, occupying young Solo’s body, Snoke would not be needed and Wyyrlok would stand where he was used to; as the third most powerful individual in the galaxy. He’d outlasted his fellow Grand Vizier Pestage; the worming Xizor, and irritating Sedriss.

    Let the Galactic Alliance grow more powerful. Let the Jedi rebuild and replenish their numbers. Let the Hapans and Remnant integrate with the galaxy and expose themselves to the twists and turns of galactic rule.

    In a decade, Starkiller Base would be finished.

    A year after that, the Sith Fleet would be complete.

    Ren nodded to it all. “Gotcha. I guess I’d best get my Knights ready to test the kid.” He sketched a disrespectful salute.

    Palpatine stared at him, and through him, and the illusions of the Great Design faded, leaving the three of them once more. “My apprentice needs merely seasoning for the time when he takes my spirit. The dark side must surge through his veins to make him the perfect vessel. Snoke will be his taskmaster; the forger of the sword, and my proxy in the great dynamic of Master and Apprentice.” A monstrous grease of a smirk touched his ruins lips. “I shall be a shadow hand upon him, and nothing more. My involvement will remain unknown to most of my Design until it is too late.”

    Ren bowed his head, and Wyyrlok followed.

    “To the Grand Design,” the Chagrian solemnly intoned.

    To the ultimate Sith Victory.

    I wrote this for a One Canon RP I’m writing; you can disregard the references to the Darknesses, they’re the spirits of the Old Ones trying to take back corporeal form. The Coats protect the wearer in the game lore, so many of the villains wear them - their use of the dark side makes them vulnerable to possession.
     
  13. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    I like your funny words, magic man.

    In all seriousness, this is amazing. You should be proud.
     
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  14. Fallen Jedi Master

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    You know so I was thinking in the one Bad Butch episode with Rex helping the Bad Butch crew with removing their chips.
    Rex says that Clones rejecting Order 66 "is rare"
    I was thinking maybe in One Canon not long after parting with with Ashoka, Rex bumped into some of the clones who disobeyed Order 66 in Legends and that's how he knows that it's "rare" but still encourages clones to get their chips removed as soon as possible. He only freaks out in the beginning when Wrecker talks about having headaches meaning that it can go off at any minute as it later happens in the episode.
    I mean it can fit. Since the episode makes it clear Rex has been bissy off screen despite how short the time has been.
     
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  15. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I want more! Wowza...

    And this made me think that from a certain point of view for OneCanon, what if Amedda/Wyyrlok was Palpatines true apprentice all along and all others were mere tools.


    Anyway, whenever someone mentions White Eyes (Palpatine) and Wyyrlok, I can only think of this song and Wyyrlok singing it in his secret love for him:

    Bright Eyes
    by Art Garfunkel


    Just replace Bright with.. White and there you go, the rest is all Garfunkel and fitting Sheev and Wyyrlok:

    White Eyes
    Is it a kind of a dream
    Floating out on the tide
    Following the river of death downstream
    Oh, is it a dream?
    There's a fog along the horizon
    A strange glow in the sky
    And nobody seems to know where it goes
    And what does it mean?
    Oh, is it a dream?
    White eyes, burning like fire
    White eyes, how can you close and fail?
    How can the light that burned so brightly
    Suddenly burn so pale?
    White eyes
    Is it a kind of a shadow
    Reaching into the night
    Wandering over the hills unseen
    Or is it a dream?
    There's a high wind in the trees
    A cold sound in the air
    And nobody ever knows when you go
    And where do you start?
    Oh, into the dark
    White eyes, burning like fire
    White eyes, how can you close and fail?
    How can the light that burned so brightly
    Suddenly burn so pale?
    White eyes
    White eyes, burning like fire
    White eyes, how can you close and fail?
    How can the light that burned so brightly
    Suddenly burn so pale?
    White eyes
     
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  16. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    I was thinking about Poe the other day, and i think it's better for him to remain Rey and Finn's peer in age in spite of being Shara and Kes' child, and i circled back to his smuggler days, considering the Outlander was able to remain in carbonite for 5 years, could Poe be put in stasis due to a rough deal and come out of it some 30 years later? It could explain the discrepancy in One Canon between his childhood days and his involvement in the ST, which by all accounts would make him a grandpa besides Rey and Finn, while he could still look young, he doesn't feel that much more experienced compared to them (outside Finn and Rey's exceptional situations of being isolated/sheltered from the outside Galaxy), someone of Poe's age in One Canon would be a mentor figure to Finn not someone that is treated as a friend you met in high school.

    Stasis is shown to work in this way, Poe could have been trapped in carbonite for some time and maybe that unpleasent experience is partially why he's not too proud of his smuggler days.

    It's a better solution than to make it Poe Dameron Jr. :p

    I should read Free Fall...
     
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  17. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You should! It’s a nice small story.
     
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  18. ColeFardreamer

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    Question: (Note I did not see todays episodes yet) If Thrawn returns to Canon post ROTJ in the Ahsoka show and a multiple show crossover most likely... that would mean for OneCanon he returns after Dark Empire. Now Mando Showverse is set 8ABY in Canon, leading into a 9ABY Thrawn return most likely. That translates to OneCanon 15ABY kinda, maybe 16 or 17 depending if you cramp all shows into one year or have each season be a new year. Timelinewise, there is enough room in these Legends years.. but it would be odd for a major Thrawn return just before the Hand of Thrawn Duology, especially as it is doubtful they would keep the NR out of it and in the dark and only Mando him away.

    So, how would we OneCanon any such scenario, a second Thrawn coming, different from the first trilogy for sure even if lots of paralells. According to reddits rumors and leaks, it seems to be different in what his assets are this time.

    OneCanon could, as far as I see it, push the timeline to have this return be post Hand of Thrawn and thus in a relatively open slot timelinewise just after Union/Survivors Quest etc. Or, put it paralell to Hand of Thrawn and have the NR mistake 2 Thrawn returns as 1... with actual Thrawn returning paralell to Flim's cosplay unrelated to that charade. Hmmm

    A third option would be to tie up canon's Thrawn return paralell to the JJK/YJK storyarcs and maybe tie him into the Shadow Academy and Second Imperium, which would fit rather nicely and add ties to Holopalpatine aka Exegol Palpatine even as well.

    Thoughts? @Sinrebirth
    And don't tell me we deal with it when it comes :p
     
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  19. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    The timeline given by Favreau and Filoni has some contradictions in it, but they stated last year in an interview that Grogu is 53 in Season 3, which implies that a year has passed between each season of Mando and BOBF. Regular rate of change for post-Endor OneCanon is 7 years, so...
    • Mando Season 1: 9ABY, +7 years = 16ABY OneCanon (Black Fleet Crisis begins at the end of the year)
    • Mando Season 2: 10ABY, +7 years = 17ABY OneCanon (Black Fleet Crisis ends close to the start of the year)
    • BOBF Season 1: 11ABY, +7 years = 18ABY OneCanon (Corellian Crisis happens sometime during this year, but other than Luke's cameo in BOBF these stories don't seem to intertwine)
    • Mando Season 3: 12ABY, +7 years =19ABY OneCanon (Hand of Thrawn duology...)
    Now, there's only a few throwaway lines of dialog from the latest Mando episode that I'll avoid spoiling, but I think that right now, Mando season 3 occurring after the Thrawn duology makes the most sense. It also seems like the first season of Ahsoka will probably stay in the same year as Mando season 3 since they release the same year, but that's just speculation on my part. Either way, we can be certain that Thrawn is in the Ahsoka show, and that lines up with his established "wait ten years and I'll be back" line that he tells Pellaeon.

    HoT doesn't have specific dates attached to its events, but the plot does occur over a few months. Luke and Mara get married maybe a month or two after those books end? That leaves plenty of space for two seasons of television leading to the inevitable return to our boy in blue himself.
     
  20. Sinrebirth

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    I would point out that Formbi-Thrawn isn't resolved, so we do have to seeeeeeeeee to some extent.

    I do wish we had a better timeline of the MandoVerse.
     
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  21. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    I know there was all that fiasco about how long Grogu was with Luke for (two years or 0-2 years?), but if you put Mando S2’s end at the start of 10ABY and BOBF’s end at the end of 11ABY, then it still works out that Grogu was with Luke for almost two years… just not 24 months.

    I do have a source where Favreau originally pegged Mando season 1 at 7 years after Endor or 11ABY, before the show came out. If the timeline involving Thrawn needs to be pushed down the road past Survivor’s Quest to resolve the Formbi problem, then starting with that year as a base could actually make a big difference.

    Of course, depending on what rumors you follow, it’s very possible that Thrawn’s return won’t be learned by any New Republic characters for a while…
     
  22. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    @Golbolco The "1 year per season" approach definetly solves that dilema, Thrawn making a big return after the Hand of Thrawn duology wouldn't contradict anything from the Legends stories and if anything the fake Thrawn and the failed clone from the books would now serve as buildup to the real Thrawn returning if one is to watch and read everything chronologically, i like this idea.

    Thrawmbi could very well be possible retroactively if everything lines up well to being post-SQ, but i always assumed Formbi simply cloned himself to rule for longer (hence his unnatural lifespan) not that he was Thrawn.

    That said if these shows go on for a long time at one point we would have to get rid of the "year per season" rule later because the events from the show would overlap with the NJO's timeframe, and even a bit earlier it can be unrealistic if Luke is somewhat involved, due to the absence of Jacen and Jaina (if we reach 23-24 ABY) who by that point were active as Jedi alongside their uncle, basically what i'm saying is that the late MandoVerse would probably need some timeline compression, but to be fair these 1 year gaps aren't very apparent in the shows themselves, so this can be done easily.
     
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  23. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I am not especially concerned at present but if it does happen, we do have a nice 19-23 ABY gap if need be.

    Between Hand of Thrawn and the Second Imperium etc.
     
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  24. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Another Mando Offshoot, Skeleton Crew:

    Imagine if Skeleton Crew takes place in some Unknown Regions kinda as rumored. The kids could be facing Grysk, early Vong in UR, First Order, Ascendancy, Empire of the Hand, all at once... Mggnall-Mggnall musical episode...

    Sorry not sorry, but Skeleton Crew to me sounds like it could take some cues from Galaxy of Fear to Live Action. And given the timeline slot in OneCanon, it is a perfect fit for such stories.

    It'd be fun if Filoni resurrects his TCW Vong episode idea for that show post ROTJ in a pre-NJO timeslot in the UR or an adjacent region. fingers crossed! It'd feel like INVASION comics with the Galfridians kinda.
     
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  25. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    That sounds like a traumatizing experience.
     
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